TST POWER MAX 3 ADJUSTABLE BOMB REPORT

[Mike Vonada]

I have been playing around with different boxes and just finished installing the PM3 Adjustable.
All I can say is there is not a Corvette or Porsche in the county that can hide from me now #ad
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Man this box flat screams. In setting 1 it was like a race horse kicking the slats out of the starting gate! When you dail in level 9 you need to tighten the safety belt and hold on! The boost comes on and the fueling starts and you are doing nothing but grabbing gears!
I have never experienced raw power like this coming out of my rig! Man it is almost scary. You do get to see EGT's pushing 1400-1500 when you stay in it for long, but by then you are going so fast its time to pull the drag-shute!
Not a bad install took about an hour and a half.
Can't wait to get it on the dyno. Have the numbers from the last time with a PE Hot box, so will be interesting to see if there is much difference. It sure feels like it from just seat of the pants.
Will keep you posted!

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2001 4X4 ETH 6 spd, QC, SLT,SB, 3:54, Flame Red,camel tan leather, 4" exhaust turbo back, EGT,boost guages, Line-X bedliner.

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Project that got way out of hand: total "BOMB"
95 Wrangler 4. 0L, NV4500, Reverse cut Dana 60 rear 44 front, Altas II, Quarter Eliptic suspension in rear, coils up front, Warn 10,000 lb to turn me right side up and the list goes on!

 

[HiPerf360]

Do you have the normal or competition unit?

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'96 3500 5spd Heavily BOMBed @50psi boost, DynoMax Race Mag muffler, cat fell off, Green/Tan loaded... 16. 70@95... And it is for sale

'67 Barracuda 11. 71@111

NHRA Member for life... LOL

 

[Bart Timothy]

Mike, with all due respect to you and TST, I'd like to voice another opinion. There's only so much any of these fueling boxes can do for an ETH other than move fuel curves. At first my seat of the pants feeling used to tell me different and I thought boxes were the way to go - back when TST wouldn't even sell a box for the ETH because they weren't getting large enough power increases and using the clutch slipage for an excuse. Boy, seat of the pants and dynos sure turned out to be 2 different things. This was proved to me after seeing mine on Edge's dyno with their scope hocked up, and running various tests with the PE and PE EZ. Something mechanical inside the pump, I'm guessing. The ETH pump doesn't put out as much fuel with one of these boxes as the ETC does. It not fun to see a comparibly equiped ETC with a fueling box putting out more power than your ETH with the same box. Edge doesn't necessarily recommend the PE for ETHs any more. Save the strain on your injection pump, forget the fueling boxes, and buy injectors. ETCs -- a different story.

[This message has been edited by Bart Timothy (edited 12-23-2000). ]

 

[RobbyRam]

Hiper360,
My PE EZ now seems milder now after a couple of weeks use. I love it but now I want more (Is it a disease??)
I ordered a TST adjustable Box but the TST company called me and talked me out of it because I have an Automatic, so they lost that $800 bucks!
My current EZ 'shudders' my Auto transmission when shifting into 3rd, but it still really hauls. Boost is at 24lbs floored.
I want more!! What can i do?




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Bob in Sacramento, Y2K Black 3500 ISB 4x4 4:10 LSD,Auto,QC,SLT Laramie, Slightly BOMBED LB, Polished Stull Billet Grill & Fog inserts, Chrome Smitty-Built Step Rails, Mopar Chrome-Tipped Mud Flaps, A-Pillar mounted West-Tach Turbo/Pyro/Trans Temp gauges,Rancho 9000's set at '1',Diamond Plated Tool Box, OEM U. R. Bedliner + other stuff.
Fact:The First Fords' had 'DODGE' Engines! The new PSD's need them!

 

[Cliffman]

Bart,

Tell us what your dyno results were #ad
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2001 Driftwood 3500 Quad Cab 4x4, Long Bed, 5. 9L HO Cummins Diesel (ETH), 6-Speed HD Manual (DEE) Loven the shift thing (Arrrrrh), 3:54, SLT+, 3. 54 Anti-Spin Axle, Camper Special Group, Trailer Tow Group, 18,000 LB 5th Wheel Hitch, Leather, Sliding Rear Window, BDs E-Brake, Rhino Liner (gray), Velvet ride shackles, cup smoothy, Power Edge box / EZ Box w/elbo, DD Stage III injectors, McLeod Dual Disk Clutch, K&N, SPA Gauges, Jardine Exhaust, 16cm turbo housing. Love the smell of diesel in the morning. Hope your watchen DC cuz every thing you see here is a big lie, Hehe.

 

[Mike Vonada]

HiPerf360,
I went with the normal one after talking with Mark at TST. The competition Box sounded like you could get into too high of EGT's too fast for me.

Bart,
I agree with what you said about boxes. I do have stage III injectors and was looking for a little more. That was the reason for trying the TST box, I wanted to see what it would do compared to the two Edge boxes I have tried. You don't know until you try and the dyno will tell tale of the two.

RobbyRam,
Yeah man, I think my diagnosis is you got the bombing bug and it looks like a bad case!!
As far as TST not selling you their Box, I would have to commend them for their honesty, because this box would play h*** with your auto transmission. The only reason Mark agreed to sell it to me is I have a new Mcleod clutch that can hold the power.
Sounds like you need to have a serious over- haul on your transmission before you do anymore bombing. Give HVAC a shout, he is doing something that will interest you about auto trannies. He can put you in touch with Bill in BC. I would have a discussion there before proceeding any further.
Good luck!
Mike

[This message has been edited by Mike Vonada (edited 12-23-2000). ]

 

[Bob Wagner]

[Save the strain on your injection pump, forget the fueling boxes, and buy injectors. ETCs -- a different story.

[This message has been edited by Bart Timothy (edited 12-23-2000). ][/B][/QUOTE]

Please explain your reference to the ETC

Would'nt the ETC be better off with larger injectors too. Is the VA box by itself to much on the ETC's fuel pump?

Thank you



[This message has been edited by Bob Wagner (edited 12-23-2000). ]

 

[HeberRam]

Mike. . I would be very intrested in your dyno or other comparisons between the PE and the PM3. I'm also considering as Bart mentioned to go from 275's to DD3's. However, I don't want to double dip (if you know what I mean) and get both, if really the DD3's and the PE will do the same. How's your clutch holding all this power???

[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 12-24-2000). ]

 

[kevin1]

I am also interested in your dyno results I have the EZ HX40 DDIII and the mcleod I am now looking for more

 

[Skibby]

I've installed the Mach 3 adjustable on my truck and I am very pleased with the results,I put it on to increase my towing ability when I'am towing my fifth wheel,so far it's done everything advertised.

 

[Mike Vonada]

Wiz,
LOL just posted on your bomb report wanted to know about your HX 40. I will let you know the dyno results looks like the first week of the year, got a buddy down here we are doing some mods to D: then we will hit the dyno together, guy that has the dyno is this guys buddy, so we get a little break #ad

Anyway,I am more and more impressed with this TST box, especially the way you can change the settings on the fly, even at full exceleration. Let me tell you when you dial in level 9 you think you are in a rocket ship!
I have to go to Grass Valley after the first of the year so if you are around I can stop by and let you drive it and you can see for yourself. By then I should have the dyno results too.
Wiz, what did you pay for the HX 40?

 

[Bart Timothy]

I believe everyone will be interested in my dyno figures when I get the time to post them (I'm not a good typest). Appearently the fueling boxes help DD3's just like they do the 275's which is what I was wondering about. The problem is they're only worth 20 to 30 horse with the 275's, which is an expensive 20 or 30 hp gain. What they do to the torque and hp curves on the bottom and top end may still make them worth the price, though. I just wished I knew more about the theory and operation of the injector pump and how it relates to operation of the injectors themselves. It must be somthing about the relationship of flow volume and pressures. When a fueling box tells the ETH pump to put out more fuel, especially with larger injectors installed it just doesn't have that much extra volume.

 

[Mike Vonada]

Bart,
I tried to give Lawrence a call at DD but he was out in the shop under a rig and the sales person I talked to was clueless as to the mods they are doing to the pumps on the ETH's. Seems they figured something out. I think you are right the pump is the marble in the funnel and if we can figure out what it is we'll be there!
Bart let me know what you EGT's are when you run the dyno. And I will do the same.
Happy Holidays,
Mike

 

[Bart Timothy]

Mike, I have the results of over a dozen dyno runs on Edge's Mustang dyno (which sure does a good job of loading down the engine) which include EGTs. We ran it so hard that we had to let the engine cool down between runs.

With 275s and an EZ installed the PE only porduced 1 hp extra in levels 2 and 3 over level 1. The only difference in levels 2 and 3 over level 1 was a little more fuel and smoke on the low end. So the pump is definately a "marble in the funnel" toward making more power. Every single run over 300 hp produced EGTs between 1350 and 1400 deg with a stock exhaust. While the best hp was only 315 with the 275s, PE and EZ, torque was real good at almost 800 ft/lbs. Brett claims DD has managed to modify the pump and gain 50 hp by doing so. He says cost is in the $1500 to $1600 range. Right now I think from a budget standpoint, injectors and probably a turbo are the best way to go on an ETH. Everyone running DD3s, boost module, and a bigger turbo on an ETH claims to be at the 350 hp level and that's 35 above where I am, for the same investment and with less strain on the pump too.

My question for you is how much do the DD3s smoke? I've heard they're about the same or less than the 275s.

 

[CCollar-OLD]

Quick question regarding the Adjustable PM3:

At what boost does the box start adding fuel given a certain power setting? I know that in the original PM3, fueling started at . 5 psi. Are you seeing roughly the same with the newer PM3?

Craig

 

[Hawk22]

What can I expect in performance and fuel consumption after installing the PM adjustible in my truck.

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1999 3500 QC Auto,SLT loaded. 2000 34'Terry 5th Wheel. 1999 350 Big Bear and plenty other toys.