Tuning a Smarty and (Hot) Juice (long ish)

[JasonCzerak]

ok. So I've had a few days to toy with the two. I'm Flashing my 3rd flash on the programmer. the OCT5th stock injector, after market turbo moderate TQ (wild is just that, insane to control on the street).



My thinking here is that the hot juice assumes after market turbo. EGT's on the edge do run up to 1700 and the truck does pull real nice. However, it's just 3100 rpm-ish with the juice. I keep forgetting that I have 3500rpm with the smarty!



So my next flash will be the moderate TQ stock injector and turbo program and make a point to use all these RPM's.



So, I managed to get the EDGE box to "reset". as in I have to get the hot code (came already applied from edge). I'll correct this on monday. It's not a big deal since this weekend I'll be more intune to the smarty.



The Smarty does not rattle the injectors AT ALL. they sound like the truck when it's stock and nothing plugged into it! Crazy!



What I'm looking for is dyno proven HP and TQ with the 2 boxes stacked (ez typically will be on 1 in my case). I'd like to have a "low" power and high power to be adjust with the edge box.



Now I realize this is almost impossible with edge now that I went over things a few times as to how the boxes work. Edge specifically does both timing and duration and that's it. Not one or the other. I've run into a situation where I know I had way to much duration. I had the Smarty on 8, Edge on 6 and gunned it and the injectors just went nutz!!!!



I know the correct solution is a TST box. This will happen over the winter.



So What have you folks dyno'ed with these 2 boxes? what settings. stock turbo and injectors preferred. There is not much search about info any any of the forums!



I've read that Smarty on 9 and the edge on 1 does make some good power!. And they do pull well!. However, smarty on 7 (100hp) and edge on 3 or 4 (60-90hp?) doesn't seem to get to where I was with just the hot program alone. I have yet to try smarty on 5 or 3 and middle numbers on edge. Looking to get the good combo of timing and duration from the two. little timing from the edge, little from the smarty...



Infact, the hot juice alone does seem to pull better then smarty on 9. Tho, we'll see after I get the "aftermarket" turbo flash in place and see what happens.



I'm looking to get 500-525hp outa this combination with the higher rpm's. I know with the edge I'm there at 500hp (in fact most likly more like 525)



So, with out further drivel from me. What have you folks found?

 

[jnelson]

Ive found that I need to run a set of twins, with a PDR cam, studded heads, larger intercooler, twin cp3's,larger injectors (much larger), TST box, ATS manifold, larger intake, running thru a susncoast transmission and pouring the smoke out a 6 exhaust sticking thru the hood. All the while removing the a/c, p/s, all the pulley's and the belt to reduce engine load and using an electric water pump. Pulling the interior only leaving the drivers seat and all the gauges. Not to forget the NOX.

Well, thats what Im going to do with my wifes truck when she gets her challenger.

 

[APacitti]

I too have been playing with the smarty and Hot Juice and this point i have to say i'm a little disappointed with the smarty. I would say that the lower power smarty settings are just awesome and the throttle response on any of the tq mangement settings is great. But the 100-170hp settings don't seem to compare to the hot juice or the hot juice ez stack, it seems like the truck is just alot happier/quicker with the hot juice. I'm not sure if its a matter of supporting mods , i know i need a fuel system and turbo bad.

 

[JasonCzerak]

APacitti, I'm with ya. I'm trying out the stock turbo and non-stock injectors per suggestion from a fella on Compatitiondiesel. In theory it should shorten the duration pulse. Allowing for more juice levels?



I need to find a strech of road and run her up to 3500rpm in all the gears to see how that compares. . Smarty alone works well.



I have yet to unplug the injectors from the Juice to really get the "smarty alone" setup. I still need boost and EGT stuff so I'll leave it mostly in place.

 

[BSchweers]

I have been told to put the smarty on 3 with no timing, and set your hot juice where you like it. I was told it helps on the low end response. Granted I don't have a smarty as of yet.



2004. 5, 2500 4x4 600 Engine, 6 Speed, Hot Juice, SPS 62/14, Magnaflow Muffler,Afe Proguard 7,Walbro 392, Heavy Duty Front & Rear Bumper, Ranch Hand Tool Box

471 HP, 994 TQ (Stock turbo) 03/09/07 American Racing Technology Dyno