Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Turbo Fit

[AKAMAC]

Harlacher,

I have a spare HX40w and a HY35 laying around. If you like you can borrow either one so you won't be down. All you would have to pay is shipping. Mike

 

[Harlacher]

Thanks AKAMAC for the very kind offer but PDR Diesel Performance says they will send me the turbo and I do not have to send in my old one. That is if I go with the PDR HX 35 from them. That would certainly be the easiest and cheapest.



The other options are to sell this brake and get an inline brake than all the upgraded turbos would fit. Lot of money involved.



I am also thinking about pulling the setup I have now (or get the PDR HX35) keeping them in my tool box. Getting a street turbo setup to use until I tow again. Then sell the street turbo and go back to the pulling set up. Again a lot of work and money.



The last option is one I would really like to know if anyone else has done. That is, using a reducing adapter. They make them but space is the problem. You need a couple of inches to make it work and my four inch exhaust only gives me about 1 to 1. 5 inches. Flatening out the pipe or hammering in the firewall to get the clearence does not sound like a lot of fun.



Hoping something else pops up. The PDR HX 35 is certainly my best bet so far.



Paul

 

[SnoKing]

Check out what EricBU12 said!



"Get the hybrid Turbo from Ind. Inj. They have a 35/40 Using a your stock size elbow. The drive section is a 12cm and the compressor is a 40. Has stock feel spool-up with a higher PSI on the top end. . This might be your best choice. " I do not know much about this turbo or the Dodgezilla that is in the same form factor. I have heard that the Dodgezilla does not spool at lower RPM's, so is not good for towing. Klaybus was talking about replacing his HX35 with a PDR35, but do not know if he did. You fight PM him. SNOKING

 

[Harlacher]

Industrial Injection does not make a turbo that will fit the BD exhaust brake. They suggested selling it and going to a 4 inch regardless of what turbo I got.



Certainly harder than I thought it would be.



I can't thank you all enough for the help. I have got a really good education over the last couple of days on these trucks and slippery slopes.

 

[JMcKee]

another option

I am looking for similar results from my truck and decided to go with the hi tech 62/14 (hx 40 housing) mated up directly to a pac brake 4" prxb exhaust brake. I never was a fan of inline brakes and trust me this new brake from pac is worth the $$. It is a true 4" brake works great with the compressor included in the kit. I just installed the setup a couple of weeks ago and have only been able to do some light towing but so far so good with egts.

 

[DMcPherson]

its a little late but I havne heard anyone say it. the brake on the truck was designed to be the easiest possible mounting for your application. manufacturers cant predict what people want to change. they do make an inline brake. which if you ever thought of upgrading should have bought. if I sold you the brake, I would not ask if you planned on upgrading, I would sell you what worked. there is no way to adapt the turbo mount brake because the diameter of the inlet is to small making a restriction inline. its only 3" out of the stock outlet. the upgraded turbos are 4" for a reason. in theory you could use it wiht a 3" inlet but I would think it would create excessive drive pressure slow spoolup and ultimately further issues. this is what happens when you build something, happens to me all the time. I have never built anything once, its always been in multiple steps so this means buying selling and making it work.

 

[Harlacher]

Agree

DMcPherson, I agree with you and the rest of the group, this is not an issue with BD, and they have always treated me right. This is just the way they are engineered.



I jumped to fast, but I did start off by saying BD is an outstanding company that has always treated me right. 75% of the aftermarket parts on my truck are from BD. The BD exhaust brake works very good; therefore, I don't want to part with it.



It is a learning experience and I am learning/have learned a lot. However, some company sites talk about the size of their brakes and what they limit you in doing. I wish I had known then what I know now. But as stated none of us get it right the first time we try, as a rule.



Right now I think I am going to go with a BD B turbo, then to the 4 inch brake, after that I am going to upgrade to the B twins that BD offers. I think with that setup I will get satisfactory performance in the pulling and speed area.



That’s the plan for me right now. Changes are bound to happen. I will keep you all informed as I slid down this slippery slope.



Thanks again for all the help.



Paul

 

[DMcPherson]

I hear ya, theres tons of things I wish i could do differently. being pretty young and having i think 26 or 27 cars at this point I have known it for a while, but it never changes, buy something and find out it wont work anymore. at least if you do an inline it will definitely be the last one you ever buy. I dont think there will be a shortage of people willing to buy it either

 

[hsmith]

A similar situation for me. I bought the Super B, but not from BD. When it arrived in a box almost 5' long, I said WTH? No way I was going to be able to use the existing turbo mounted brake.
I called BD and the tech was very accommodating even though I bought their turbo elsewhere. I went with their inline unit and sold the Jacobs.
All is well and am very happy with the complete setup.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

don't waste your money on a PDR35! it's barely an upgrade over the HX35



at least get a 60mm 6 blade HX40 compressor wheel

 

[Harlacher]

Thanks Forrest, I am going with the BD Super B, at this point anyway. However, there is a lot to be said for the PDR X35. As Snoking said, if you don't want to start on the slippery slope, and just want a good pulling truck, from all I have read, the PDR X35 is the cheapest and best way to go.



To go that way for me would be under $700, my current plans are going to cost somewhere in the area of $3000.



If I was still touring, with my trailer, the PDR X35 is the way I would go. I am seeking other thrills now. Much more expensive ones.



Certainly is a decission everyone has to make on their own.



Paul

 

[Forrest Nearing]

well, I disagree... I've had PDR35's on two trucks I bought, and I wouldn't pay $700 for one when I have bought multiple S300 based turbos for just over that.

 

[SnoKing]

Got to remember I went from a HY35 to PDR35. About the same spool up and more air. HX35 to PDR35 is not that big of step as Forrest points out. SNOKING

 

[Harlacher]

I do understand that; that is why I am going with the BD Super B. I am just saying that going to the PDR 35 is an option for me, that would be cheaper, and better than what I have now. My situation hinges on the BD exhaust brake, so for me the cost to go to a S300 is much higher. I have to add the cost of a four inch inline brake and understand that I will lose some braking power.



I have learned that there is no canned answer for upgrading these trucks. I agree completely with what you and some of the others have said, what I am doing is a slippery slope and I might end up, after spending $3,000, wishing I had bought the PDR 35 in the first place. That runs right into what Forrest said; you are not going to get it right the first time, live with it.



For others that have followed these post, the only good reccomendations I can make to you is ask a lot of questions each time you buy one of these expensive upgrades, and then be willing to start sliding. A simple question, I should have asked when I bought my exhaust brake, would have saved me a lot of money, time, work and a real lot of agravation.



However as stated, one upgrade is going to lead to five more. Mistakes will be made, you have to live with them, you can't blame them on someone else and you have be willing to pay for them.



Pick a goal that you will happy with, build to it, and once you have reached it quit. Then again, hobbies are hobbies, all of them are expensive, and all of them get more expensive the more you get into them.



Paul

 

[Forrest Nearing]

Got to remember I went from a HY35 to PDR35. About the same spool up and more air. HX35 to PDR35 is not that big of step as Forrest points out. SNOKING

ahhh, yes, from an HY35 to a PDR35 is a pretty good jump... especially while maintaining similar spool up

 

[hsmith]

I have a PDRHX35 on the shelf you can have for a lot less than $700!! Low mileage also.

 

[Harlacher]

Pdrhx35

I have a PDRHX35 on the shelf you can have for a lot less than $700!! Low mileage also.

Might take you up on that if things don't work out with the Super B from BD. However. sounds like most people like it. Has anyone had any experience with the Garret turbo?



Ball bearings in a turbo sound like a great idea for spool up, reaction time, and just overall performance, I just don't know if they will last. My son is sold on them. Back in my wrench turning days, truck mechanic, Engineman in the Navy, I was always taught that ball bearings were good for steady speed and load. I know that a lot of improvements have been made and they are even used as connecting rod bearging in some car engines (or so I have been told).



I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I can remember just a couple of thousands off on pump allignments and the ball bearings would go in a hurry. Just a feeling with no facts to back it up and that is no reason not to buy. However, for me I am going to stick to the sleeve bearing. I know after putting almost 200,000 on this one, and still going strong, they will last.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

the BD Super B is overpriced... all it is is a re-boxed S300G from Borg Warner. I think dealer list price on an S300G is about $700



it's a 57mm compressor.



I would do a 62mm S300 variant, but if you're going to do the S300G, I certainly wouldn't pay BD's markup for it

 

[Forrest Nearing]

the Garrett ball bearing offerings for these trucks are pretty decent, and they come with downpipe, cold pipe, etc. They do not support high boost though.

 

[Harlacher]

the BD Super B is overpriced... all it is is a re-boxed S300G from Borg Warner. I think dealer list price on an S300G is about $700



it's a 57mm compressor.



I would do a 62mm S300 variant, but if you're going to do the S300G, I certainly wouldn't pay BD's markup for it

I will talk to BD on Monday and see if I can cancel the order then. They said they would give me a real good deal on a 4 inch brake. Thanks for the information and I will do some research.



What do you mean by an 62mm S300 variant.



I want to one day upgrade to the double turbo setup. Will I still be able to with S300?



Paul