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I am talking about an investment of less than $ 60. 00 to build and install not a 1,000. 00 chip to add fuel. honestly i really don't give a damn if people think it will work or not. however there is one way to make better fuel mileage that is sure fired.

here it is. PARK YOUR TRUCK AND START WALKING YOU WON'T SPEND A NICKLE OF FUEL AND WE CAN GET SOME OF YOU IDIOTS OFF THE ROAD!!

ENOUGH SAID fend for yourselfs!!!!!!!!!



So one week later. How many miles have you driven? How much fuel have you burned? Why insult people when they are trying to stop others from waisting their $$ on scams?

WATER4GAS. COM and Others are scams that pay people $35 in a pyramid scheme to post false testimonials. Buyer beware. Every day, tomorrow is the last day of their "special price". Then tomorrow, it shifts one day further, etc.
 
I don't have one of these systems but know a guy who does. I also know a guy with a patent on his design. What does that prove? Nothing at all. But, I believe both of these guys when they tell me it works.



And, that was one funny rant there!
 
I know a guy here in Alaska that is selling the Hydro4000's for $2000 installed and he can not get enough of them to keep his customers happy. He is making a ton of $$ and can afford to fill his tank when ever he wants.

He also claims that with his 6. 5 GMC he is getting 25-30 mpg using one. Best he got before the install we 17 mpg. I really think he is stretching it a bit but if I could get 3-4 mpg better I would be happy.
 
I am going to buy the one on e-bay for $160. 00, I have wasted money on dumber things! I will test it and post info. I drive 400 miles every couple of days so it will be easy.
Rick
 
I am going to buy the one on e-bay for $160. 00, I have wasted money on dumber things! I will test it and post info. I drive 400 miles every couple of days so it will be easy.

Rick



GO for it! Oo.



The more TDR member actual results, the better - just wish I drove more, so I could test one myself!
 
Well here's the results not to insult any one I am not selling anything. I ran from Nashville Tn to Chrisman Il pulling a 30' goose neck flat bed trailer

14K average speed 68 mph for the 389 mile trip my fuel mileage was as best as I can measure 17 mpg. The same trip last spring 13. 3 mpg. I am running a Cab Chassie, 4x4 auto, 150 gal of fuel, Nitrogen filled tires including trailer, Hypertech set at max setting, AFE drop in air cleaner, last spring used AFE cold air removed to many codes. My return trip w/grain wagon 600# max 13. 8 mpg

about 70 miles was in stop and go traffic 125 on good 2 lane rest on interstate. No burps so far so good cost of system $60. 00
 
Well here's the results not to insult any one I am not selling anything. I ran from Nashville Tn to Chrisman Il pulling a 30' goose neck flat bed trailer

14K average speed 68 mph for the 389 mile trip my fuel mileage was as best as I can measure 17 mpg. The same trip last spring 13. 3 mpg. I am running a Cab Chassie, 4x4 auto, 150 gal of fuel, Nitrogen filled tires including trailer, Hypertech set at max setting, AFE drop in air cleaner, last spring used AFE cold air removed to many codes. My return trip w/grain wagon 600# max 13. 8 mpg

about 70 miles was in stop and go traffic 125 on good 2 lane rest on interstate. No burps so far so good cost of system $60. 00



So you saved about $25 in fuel this trip, assuming diesel is $4. Two more trips and you are ahead of the game my $15!
 
Well here's the results not to insult any one I am not selling anything. I ran from Nashville Tn to Chrisman Il pulling a 30' goose neck flat bed trailer

14K average speed 68 mph for the 389 mile trip my fuel mileage was as best as I can measure 17 mpg. The same trip last spring 13. 3 mpg. I am running a Cab Chassie, 4x4 auto, 150 gal of fuel, Nitrogen filled tires including trailer, Hypertech set at max setting, AFE drop in air cleaner, last spring used AFE cold air removed to many codes. My return trip w/grain wagon 600# max 13. 8 mpg

about 70 miles was in stop and go traffic 125 on good 2 lane rest on interstate. No burps so far so good cost of system $60. 00



What do you mean " as best as I can measure"? Did you not refill the tank, or are you just guessing?
 
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If this is true, that your mileage went from 13. 3 to 17. 0, then as you hold your throttle foot steady at 65, when you flip the switch on to the HHO, you should feel the truck accelerating to about 70 mph, then when you turn the switch off again, it would coast back down to 65 (with a steady foot, cruise control would not work).



The other method is, with cruise on, reset mpg gauge and drive 3-5 miles with the hho off, then switch it on and reset the gage and you should see the mileage going up 3-4 mpg.



This should stop all the arguing.
 
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with cruise on, reset mpg gauge and drive 3-5 miles with the hho off, then switch it on and reset the gage and you should see the mileage going up 3-4 mpg.



This should stop all the arguing.
A very good use of the overhead indeed regardless of how accurate it is. The before and after "differential" will tell.
 
A very good use of the overhead indeed regardless of how accurate it is. The before and after "differential" will tell.



Perhaps - but no substitute for a decent logging of before/after mileage over significant time and miles - as well as careful effort to duplicate routes and driving style. Doubters - including me - are looking for pretty detailed and significant testing - and for sure, the more vocal critics will continue to cry "foul" and "fraud" with anything less... ;):-laf
 
The best I can figure i take the gallons to fill divide by # of miles that is result. Using cruise most of trip the unit stays on all the time fuel 4. 55 gal

I also use the overhead is fairly close to hand cal. The system seems to be working for me the cost is minor and is saving me money believe me or I am satisfied with my results the proof is in the pudding. THE END !!!!!!!!!
 
Perhaps - but no substitute for a decent logging of before/after mileage over significant time and miles - as well as careful effort to duplicate routes and driving style. Doubters - including me - are looking for pretty detailed and significant testing - and for sure, the more vocal critics will continue to cry "foul" and "fraud" with anything less... ;):-laf



This is scary! Gary, I think we agree on something:D

I have EVERY tank of fuel on a spread sheet, all tanks vary a little, or a lot. An average of three tanks would be a min to show trends up or down. There are way too meny varaibles to say ONE tank is showing a difference, and I would say that even if your milage was down a little on the first tank.
 
Doubters - including me - are looking for pretty detailed and significant testing - and for sure, the more vocal critics will continue to cry "foul" and "fraud" with anything less... ;):-laf

I don't think detailed and significant testing is going to happen. Folks experimenting with various mpg improver's just wont go to that kind of trouble, why would they unless they are the seller.



The system seems to be working for me the cost is minor and is saving me money believe me or I am satisfied with my results the proof is in the pudding. THE END !!!!!!!!!
Well then. . good job! hats off for giving it a try. Post a pic if you can on what you have added.
 
I don't think detailed and significant testing is going to happen. Folks experimenting with various mpg improver's just wont go to that kind of trouble, why would they unless they are the seller.



I think you are off base with that comment - I, and MANY other members here have bought, tested, and POSTED clear info and test results regarding stuff they have installed and actually USED on their trucks - most info is positive - SOME is negative, just like life...



I have personally been involved in a few such installations and tests myself - most results were accepted and welcomed by readers - but there are always a FEW critical hard-heads who are NEVER satisfied, regardless of test methods or conditions involved - they and their attitudes have served me well, as I have determined and steadily attempted to NOT behave as they do!



Why would "mileage improvers" be any different than, say, a power improver? THOSE get tested and reported on MANY times in these forums - do we disregard them if, or because, we personally don't agree with the results as the poster claims them to be?



Being healthfully skeptical but open-minded is ONE thing - being arbitrarily difficult and irreversibly stubborn is something entirely different... ;):D
 
As a BTW please note the nuclear submarines break down H2O to release the O2 to allow them to stay submerged for much greater periods of time. But then again they have power to burn so to speak. Then they have to dispose of the Hydrogen which creates venting problems creating noise which can be detected. Nothing is "FREE" there is always a price to pay. Just some random thoughts on the subject.
 
I don't believe this works because

1. The physics says it cannot



2. No one has posted data that proves it works (I don't mean hype from the sellers and their "testimonials". ) Will anyone even try that simple mpg gage test I suggested?
 
I don't believe this works because

1. The physics says it cannot
What do you mean? asuming a gas application, are you saying the ignition a plug provides cannot be enhanced by a small hydrogen & pure oxygen presence? If so why are so many people doing it? Not talking about the sellers, I mean the people building them on their own. Do they all really have that much extra time on their hands?



2. No one has posted data that proves it works

See thats the thing, what exactly are you looking for?

lets say hypothetically speacking you get a wild hair and try making one, you do all the research to get the best possible LPM for your money, spend time building it the best you can, are you now gonna spend your money on aftermarket indenpendt testing just so you can post here and say "it works" to those that wont believe you anyway.



I don't have one so can say one way or the other and find it interesting enough to read about.
 
What do you mean? asuming a gas application, are you saying the ignition a plug provides cannot be enhanced by a small hydrogen & pure oxygen presence? If so why are so many people doing it? Not talking about the sellers, I mean the people building them on their own. Do they all really have that much extra time on their hands?



See thats the thing, what exactly are you looking for?

lets say hypothetically speacking you get a wild hair and try making one, you do all the research to get the best possible LPM for your money, spend time building it the best you can, are you now gonna spend your money on aftermarket indenpendt testing just so you can post here and say "it works" to those that wont believe you anyway.



I don't have one so can say one way or the other and find it interesting enough to read about.



NOt saying that "the ignition a plug provides cannot be enhanced by a small hydrogen & pure oxygen presence", just that I am not convinced that so tiny an amount of Hydrogen (like homeopathic medicine) can produce any enhancement of combustion at all, much less one that exceeds the extra energy consumed by the alternator to generate that gas. The so called "pure oxygen" is irrelevant too, given that air is about 21% pure oxygen. And many of those atoms re-combine right away, because the H and O molecules are not kept separate (like real electrolysis) where they would recombine into H2 and O2 molecules; here some re-combine right before they leave the water, back into ---water---!!! Maybe that's why so many of these contraptions boil, from the energy of recombined H2O molecules.



The data I want is not "last year I got about this mileage, and now about this". Do the test with resetting the MPG gage, and post the video. Keep a log of 10 fillups before, and after the mod, etc.



How do you know that there are hundreds of people with these things on, that are getting results? I have commented that virtually all gassers doing this, tamper with the Oxygen sensor voltage, which leans out combustion, and changes emissions. The hydrogen is just a placebo.



Automakers are spending millions to get one extra mpg, and these contraptions will raise the efficiency of the engine above the 100% ideal combustion? JCWHITNEY is still selling the fuel line magnets. Unreal. Not enough people are returning them within the 30 day money back, for them to discontinue. I bought one of these magnets as a joke about 5 years ago, and was going to return it on day 29, but something happened in my social life that took my mind away from that. The results were: average mpg (Nissan gasser) before magnet 19. 5 mpg, after magnet, 19. 5. Duhhh... averaged for about 1 year prior, and one year afterwards. Now I use that $9. 99 magnet on a computer cable as an electrical RFI choke. Many computer cables already contain a round magnet on power cords, if you look at them.
 
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