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From time to time a member posts here about a new travel trailer he is considering and asks for opinions. I have learned from long experience that about 98% of the time that member doesn't really want opinions, he only wants reinforcement for the decision he has already made, but I post anyway because other members may read my reply and others similar to it from other members and the answers may help someone make a good future decision.



My answer is always the same: "don't buy a cheap new trailer, buy a used expensive trailer for the same amount of money. " I know that my advice is rarely followed but many older, more experienced TDR member/RV owners share my opinion. The reasoning is a cheaper brand trailer is only new for two or three years then it is simply a cheap older trailer. They typically have weak frames, mediocre construction, poor insulation, and lots of shortcuts. On the other hand, if the same amount of money is spent to buy a used but high quality trailer, in two or three years it is still a high quality used trailer, worth almost as much as the buyer paid for it and with many years of service remaining.



This past week I was involved in such a used trailer purchase which might be useful to someone considering the purchase of a good RV. My son-in-law is a very successful general contractor but not an RVer. A year and a half ago he was starting a hospital remodel/upgrade project in another city 100 miles away and no temporary housing was available for the job superintendent he was sending to oversee the job. He bought my used 1995 Travel Supreme 5th wheel and I delivered it to the jobsite. His employee loves it and it has since moved on to another jobsite. Financially, it worked out so well that when my son-in-law recently started yet another project in another city he wanted another used 5er for his employee.



I began looking on all the websites last week and found a one-owner 1999 HitchHiker II 28. 5' 5er in LaGrande, OR on RVTraderOnLine. I called and spoke with the owners and liked what they told me. My s-i-l agreed to buy it and I took off last Saturday morning for LaGrande to pick it up. It was exactly as described, a very clean '99 HHII that had been towed very little and used only by an older couple who bought it new and took care of it. All the appliances work as new. The interior shows little or no wear. It had the original GY Marathon tires on it that hadn't been pulled enough to even show wear and the brakes and bearings had never been serviced. I took along a new set of tires and had them installed before I left LaGrande with the trailer. We paid $12,000 for it, about market value according to NADA. I didn't try to beat the sellers down to their bottom dollar because they were honest and fair and because my s-i-l could afford to pay for it and it will be a tax tax deduction for him. Some may be thinking..... "so what?"



My point is for only $12,000 and the cost of a roundtrip to OR we purchased a very nice, clean, quality used RV that has easily another ten years of good service left in it. A HitchHiker II, while not a top-of-the-line luxury unit, is a very well-built high quality RV for value-minded practical buyers. NuWa uses dense blue Dow-Corning insulation in all the sidewalls and excellent insulation in the roof, floor, and end caps, sturdy frames, and excellent construction methods. An identical new one would have a sticker price of $45k or so. A brand new cheap brand would probably have a price tag of $25 - $30k.



The old used HHII is a bargain for its intended use.



Edit: Afterthought: And beside the bargain used 5er, I got a nice paid trip out of the deal. I got to visit OR again and took a quick sidetrip along the banks of the mighty Columbia River along I-84 over to Portland, south to Salem and then east across OR-22 to Bend, Burns, Ontario, then south to Spanish Fork, UT and then south through the canyon lands of UT, SW CO, and NW NM. It was a great trip although a little too quick for a 4,000 mile journey.
 
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The cheaper trailer with the weak frame is what can get you in trouble. Especially when that trailer is equipped with one or more slides. You see them being towed down the road and the slides are sagging and the body lines are wavy.



The appliances and cabinets are very important also when used regulary. Fit and finish is excellent on these trailers and if anything would go wrong,it is certainly worth repairing vs. the old line..... 'Cost more than its worth to fix'



Good to see you on the boards again HB... . haven't seen any postings until just recently.





Alan
 
Thanks, Alan. I was absent for a few weeks while doing what I do best . . . wandering around pulling my trailer.



I took a trip to northern IN to visit a few friends from my RV transporting days and to see what was going on in the RV industry then on to Sault Sainte Marie, MI to watch the iron ore freighters transit the Soo Locks and the St. Mary's River. I love that area in the summer time.
 
I agree with you completely Harvey. AClayton and I have been trying to convince some TDR members about buying a quality RV in the first place and avoid all the follow up repairs after the sale on the currently running Thread, "Wildcat RV".
 
Grizzly,



Yeah, I know. I was following that thread also. Our comments fell on deaf ears.



I guess lots of prospective travel trailer owners buy new because they are easier to finance and long term contracts are offered.



When I was transporting, about a year and a half ago, I delivered a Weekend Warrier 45' fifth wheel toybox from Weekend Warrier's service department to the trailer's owner at a motorcycle race track in central CA. The poor dummy who owned it was proud to tell me he had financed it for 20 years. My mouth fell open in astonishment. I was not even aware that was possible.



Can you imagine financing a cheaply built toy box with a $75,000 MSRP for 20 years? Weekend Warrier has already disappeared from the marketplace and the value of his trailer dropped precipitously when that happened. The trailer will be junk in less than ten years and he'll still owe $50,000 on the note.



Oh well. Each to his own.
 
Grizzly,

When I was transporting, about a year and a half ago, I delivered a Weekend Warrier 45' fifth wheel toybox from Weekend Warrier's service department to the trailer's owner at a motorcycle race track in central CA. The poor dummy who owned it was proud to tell me he had financed it for 20 years. My mouth fell open in astonishment. I was not even aware that was possible.



Can you imagine financing a cheaply built toy box with a $75,000 MSRP for 20 years? Weekend Warrier has already disappeared from the marketplace and the value of his trailer dropped precipitously when that happened. The trailer will be junk in less than ten years and he'll still owe $50,000 on the note.



Yep, that's the reason some finance companies are in trouble... looked good on the financial report and the person who approved that deal and made the commission will be long gone when the "chickens come home to roost".



Bill
 
Speaking of financing, that has thrown a wrench in this way of thinking. Loans are becoming the most challenging part of the industry. Many of the sources have tightened there belts and won't loan on an "older" unit, which forces the consumer to look at the newer lower end model. Myself, I agree with your thinking, especially after seeing some new units just about fall apart on there maiden voyage to a dealership (initials FR).
 
Grizzly,

Yeah, I know. I was following that thread also. Our comments fell on deaf ears.

I guess lots of prospective travel trailer owners buy new because they are easier to finance and long term contracts are offered.

When I was transporting, about a year and a half ago, I delivered a Weekend Warrier 45' fifth wheel toybox from Weekend Warrier's service department to the trailer's owner at a motorcycle race track in central CA. The poor dummy who owned it was proud to tell me he had financed it for 20 years. My mouth fell open in astonishment. I was not even aware that was possible.

Can you imagine financing a cheaply built toy box with a $75,000 MSRP for 20 years? Weekend Warrier has already disappeared from the marketplace and the value of his trailer dropped precipitously when that happened. The trailer will be junk in less than ten years and he'll still owe $50,000 on the note.

Oh well. Each to his own.

Trust me, your comments did not fall on deaf ears. Does HH/NuWa, Excel, and the others make any bunkhouse models?
 
I can't give a for sure answer, but I have looked on and off for one and found nothing. My experience is tha the higher end companies have catered to the retirees which have no need for bunks. I'm sure someone made it, but it will be a rare find.
 
Trust me, your comments did not fall on deaf ears. Does HH/NuWa, Excel, and the others make any bunkhouse models?



mberry,



I see your point.



No, NuWa doesn't build bunkhouse models and I don't think Excel does. I don't think Newmar or Teton do either. As Karl wrote above, the better quality units are usually intended for older buyers (like me). Travel Supreme did build some 5ers with a second bedroom in the rear with bunks but they were all 40'ers with 20,000# GVWR. Probably not a model you'd want for weekending with a young family.



Karl,



I heard the same thing about the difficulty in obtaining RV financing for buyers as well as dealers about three weeks ago. During a vacation trip to the UP of MI I visited in IN for a few days. I was talking with the owner of the company I used to work for. He told me that one of the manufacturers had a big 5th wheel ready to ship to SoCal, a sold unit, but the dealer couldn't get financing for flooring so the manufacturer wouldn't release the trailer. Tough times in the RV industry!
 
Trust me, your comments did not fall on deaf ears. Does HH/NuWa, Excel, and the others make any bunkhouse models?







I did a search on my RV Consumer Group Guide for 5er's with Bunkhouse. As stated above, mostly the lower end RV manufactures make a Bunkhouse, however Eagle by Jayco, 3 1/2 stars, is the best rated Bunkhouse 5er. I have never had a Jayco, but I do hear good comments about some of them, especially the Eagle Series.
 
For my first fiver, I bought a new one. Never again. Took it in the butt. But education costs money. I had an old Airstream that had a lot of problems. I was trying to live in it on the road. I didn't want to buy someone's problems. Now I know a good deal more of what to look at, in a trailer. Its sad to say, but I think you have to use them to find out what works for you and what doesn't. I would buy used at this point knowing what I know now.

D
 
For my first fiver, I bought a new one. Never again. Took it in the butt. But education costs money. I had an old Airstream that had a lot of problems. I was trying to live in it on the road. I didn't want to buy someone's problems. Now I know a good deal more of what to look at, in a trailer. Its sad to say, but I think you have to use them to find out what works for you and what doesn't. I would buy used at this point knowing what I know now.

D









I can't agree with you on that one. I still prefer to buy new and custom order it. That way you get it equipped exactly the way you want it. For instance, when we ordered our new 5er. I wanted scare lights. They weren't an option, but Northwood Mfg installed them any way and in the location I picked. You can also pick your own colors, my wife liked that. Of the four RV's I've purchased, three were custom ordered new. The first one was a four year old truck camper.
 
I did a search on my RV Consumer Group Guide for 5er's with Bunkhouse. As stated above, mostly the lower end RV manufactures make a Bunkhouse, however Eagle by Jayco, 3 1/2 stars, is the best rated Bunkhouse 5er. I have never had a Jayco, but I do hear good comments about some of them, especially the Eagle Series.



I just went and looked at those on their site.



I want a bunkhouse 5er in a couple of years and Northwood doesn't make one that suits are needs, otherwise I would love to have one.
 
Good post on the long term value of a quality fifth wheel. We have a 2003 HitchHiker II 30. 5 RLBG that we purchased new and have really enjoyed it. I had a few problems with the shocks rubbing the tires but NuWa replaced my axles and solved that problem.

I have recently been trying to sell my 03' model in order to upgrade to the Discover America series from NuWa. to my chagrin the trade in value of these higher end fifth wheels isn't worth a hill of beans. I was quoted about $14K less than what I still owe on the rig.

So it looks like I will hang on to my quality HH II for a few more years.



Oh, NuWa does offer a bunkbed option in their Discover America 339 model.



Dave
 
I just went and looked at those on their site.



I want a bunkhouse 5er in a couple of years and Northwood doesn't make one that suits are needs, otherwise I would love to have one.







Look at Nash , Northwood Mfg. , model # 27-5B. It has bunks. Nash has the same quality and 4 star rating as an Arctic Fox, just less money.
 
Oh, NuWa does offer a bunkbed option in their Discover America 339 model.



Dave



Yeah, you are correct. I had forgotten about the optional bunks in the bedroom glide on the RSB339. I've never seen one so-equipped but it is an available option.



You'll probably be way ahead if you advertise yours on rvtraderonline or other website. There are lots of units offered for sale right now but if you get lucky and a buyer is looking for what you're offering, you can get a much better price than a dealer will allow you on a trade-in.
 
Look at Nash , Northwood Mfg. , model # 27-5B. It has bunks. Nash has the same quality and 4 star rating as an Arctic Fox, just less money.





Thanks, I've looked at that one and we are really needing/wanting 4 bunks.



We are going to have 3 kids that need a place to sleep and the extra bunk is a great place to put their duffel bags of clothes.



I would really love to buy something made by Northwood, but it seems that the Cougar and Jayco Eagle have floorplans that fit us better.



Either way though, with the economy diving and my income down it's probably 2 years out now so who knows what there will be then.
 
Thanks, I've looked at that one and we are really needing/wanting 4 bunks.



We are going to have 3 kids that need a place to sleep and the extra bunk is a great place to put their duffel bags of clothes.



I would really love to buy something made by Northwood, but it seems that the Cougar and Jayco Eagle have floorplans that fit us better.



Either way though, with the economy diving and my income down it's probably 2 years out now so who knows what there will be then.







I understand your dilemma about the economy, however this is the best time buy an RV while the prices are down.



As far as choosing between a Cougar and a Eagle, I'd go for the Eagle hands down. When we were looking to purchase a new 5er, we looked at the Cougars. They are nice looking on the inside and my wife was highly impressed. But if you look at the skinny frame and the little axles and the poor fit and finish in the storage compartments and inside the cabinets, you'll quickly walk away from them.
 
I understand your dilemma about the economy, however this is the best time buy an RV while the prices are down.



As far as choosing between a Cougar and a Eagle, I'd go for the Eagle hands down. When we were looking to purchase a new 5er, we looked at the Cougars. They are nice looking on the inside and my wife was highly impressed. But if you look at the skinny frame and the little axles and the poor fit and finish in the storage compartments and inside the cabinets, you'll quickly walk away from them.



I don't do payments. So I need the economy to come back so hopefully my dividend income from some investments comes back. Then it's time to buy.
 
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