I am new to the TDR and diesel world and need some info on the valvoline prem. blue 2000 synthetic oil. Since valvoline is related to cummins I would think it would be great for my cummins. My local cummins dealer did recomend it but wanted to ask the pros. I also wanted to know what the best oil filter is for my Y2K. thanks.
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Correction, the Cummins Premium Blue 2000 was developed by Cummins' Don Carver (Lubrication Engineer), who is now with the Exxon Company. The PB 2000 is produced by Valvoline for Cummins, which, if reports on this BB are correct, Cummins just purchased Valvoline. As previously stated by Bob-TEXAS, the Fleetguard LF3894 StrataPore oil filter is the premium oil filter for our Rams.
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
Thanks for the correction. I got my info from the parts man at cummins/houston. Thats why I love this forum, the correct info always surfaces. .
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99 3500 QC, white, 5sp, 3. 55lsd, isspro EGT & boost, stock, 28,800 miles 01-01-00- -EX phord owner
15-16. 5 MPG hwy ,14-15 city , 10-12 with 4,000lb TT
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99 3500 QC, white, 5sp, 3. 55lsd, isspro EGT & boost, stock, 28,800 miles 01-01-00- -EX phord owner
15-16. 5 MPG hwy ,14-15 city , 10-12 with 4,000lb TT
Maybe this is old news however... when I purchased some Valvoline/Cummins Premium Blue 2000 (semi-synthetic) at Cummins NW (Renton, WA. ) yesterday, I discovered that along with the new label on the container, came a long awaited approval; the oil is now 100% approved for use in our Cummins B (and C) engines, as it now carries the appropriate API "S" rating. . in this case SJ. It carries the APIs newest "C" designation, CH-4 as well. As some of you may remember, the lack of the API "S" rating has always been a technical sticking point. Previously, the PB 2000 lacked the "S" rating, simply, because the oil was never submitted for testing. Don Carver, formerly, Chief Lubrication Engineer for Cummins, stated at the 1995 TDR Rally in Columbus, OH, that the oil would pass the current API "S" criteria IF the oil was submitted for testing, going on to say that it was OK for use in the "B" and "C" engines (the appropriate API "S" rating is necessary for proper lubrication of the "sliding cam tappets"). However, Cummins' official position was NOT in concurrence with Don Carver's statement regarding the use of PB 2000 in our engines.
It's funny, I still have an e-mail response from Cummins (dated 12-09-98) warning me that if I use PB 2000, "any failures determined to be caused by the oil, would not be considered (for warranty) by Dodge or Cummins. "
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
It's funny, I still have an e-mail response from Cummins (dated 12-09-98) warning me that if I use PB 2000, "any failures determined to be caused by the oil, would not be considered (for warranty) by Dodge or Cummins. "
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
John,
The statement by Cummins, whoever that may have been,warning you that if you use PB 2000, "any failures determined to be caused by the oil, would not be considered (for warranty) by Dodge or Cummins", applys to ALL oils! If it was determined ANY oil caused damage to ANY part of an engine, or anything that oil was subjected to,then the manufacturer of the OIL, would be liable!
This of course would have to be PROVEN! The only way for this to be achieved, would be with an oil analysis. The oil analysis would be the avenue that would be taken to "PROVE" the oil was indeed the culprit!
Bear in mind, if this were to happen, there would likely be many, many other engines out there that would also be having a problem as well! No oil is smart enough to attact only one thing in an engine and make the part fail!
This is only ONE of the many reasons I do a periodic oil analysis at a pre-decribed time and mileage!
Best regards,
Wayne
amsoilman
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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
The statement by Cummins, whoever that may have been,warning you that if you use PB 2000, "any failures determined to be caused by the oil, would not be considered (for warranty) by Dodge or Cummins", applys to ALL oils! If it was determined ANY oil caused damage to ANY part of an engine, or anything that oil was subjected to,then the manufacturer of the OIL, would be liable!
This of course would have to be PROVEN! The only way for this to be achieved, would be with an oil analysis. The oil analysis would be the avenue that would be taken to "PROVE" the oil was indeed the culprit!
Bear in mind, if this were to happen, there would likely be many, many other engines out there that would also be having a problem as well! No oil is smart enough to attact only one thing in an engine and make the part fail!
This is only ONE of the many reasons I do a periodic oil analysis at a pre-decribed time and mileage!
Best regards,
Wayne
amsoilman
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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
Amsoilman, I believe the official, Cummins Engine Co. , policy regarding the use of Premium Blue 2000 (semi-synthetic) in the "B" and "C" series engines, stated that if I was to use the Premium Blue 2000 (which at that time, did NOT have an API "S" rating), and there was a resultant engine failure, it would be tough nuggets for me. Cummins went on to say in their e-mail, they suggested the use of their Premium Blue (mineral oil) in my ISB. I had also called the 1-800-DIESELS number at least several times, posing that very question (the use of PB 2000 in my ISB) to them. They always gave the, "you better not, or else" answer.
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
Turbo Terry, your Cummins dealer is correct, Valvoline/Cummins Premium Blue and Premium Blue 2000 are available in 15W40 weights only.
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (Black) SLT Sport, personalized license plate: BLCKOUT, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Bosch 275 hp. injectors with Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, "Scotty Air System", Glasstite Vision II "canopy", Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights and Super White bulbs, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system.
SVP of BOMB! heh,heh,heh
I would like to thank everybody that helped me with the info. I think I will use the oil in my truck since it meets the requirements that you say.
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Y2K 2500 4x4 ext. cab 8'bed nerf bars,Linex,xtang cover bug shield, husky liners,every option but leather and cab lights
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Y2K 2500 4x4 ext. cab 8'bed nerf bars,Linex,xtang cover bug shield, husky liners,every option but leather and cab lights
I have used PB 2000 since day 1 in my 97. I did my first oil analysis last oil change. Blackstone lab. said it showed very low bearing wear. It was below all the universal averages. The oil had 7,500 miles on it when I changed it. I think it must work good!
I have switched to Delvac 1 (full synthetic from Mobil) for the winter time. It is a 5W-40. If my oil analysis from my next oil change is positive, I will probably stick with the Delvac 1. I have heard that any oil is good, as long as you dont switch brands. Hope this helps.
Jack
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1997 4x4, 3. 54 rear, 5 spd, red, vinyl floors.
Banks Stinger Plus, BD 4" cat back (minus muffler), K&N (not Scotty YET!), Delvac 1, Lund cold front, Shelf-it overhead storage system, CB mounted overhead like the BIG rigs!
Pull Trailswest 2 horse slant, 1972 8' Bell slide in camper (heavy son of a gun), and one great hunting Black Lab
I have switched to Delvac 1 (full synthetic from Mobil) for the winter time. It is a 5W-40. If my oil analysis from my next oil change is positive, I will probably stick with the Delvac 1. I have heard that any oil is good, as long as you dont switch brands. Hope this helps.
Jack
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1997 4x4, 3. 54 rear, 5 spd, red, vinyl floors.
Banks Stinger Plus, BD 4" cat back (minus muffler), K&N (not Scotty YET!), Delvac 1, Lund cold front, Shelf-it overhead storage system, CB mounted overhead like the BIG rigs!
Pull Trailswest 2 horse slant, 1972 8' Bell slide in camper (heavy son of a gun), and one great hunting Black Lab
Will someone list the the technical specs for valvoline prem. blue 2000 synthetic oil as I have done for AMSOIL SERIES 3000 SYNTHETIC 5W30 HEAVY-DUTY DIESEL OIL in the product forum link? I plan to do one for the 15W-40 AMSOIL SYNTHETIC DIESEL AND MARINE ENGINE OIL unless someone else would like to do it for me. Comparing the specs helps me make a decision on what oil to use. Most car/truck dealerships recommend what oil to use based on what they sell not because of the best specifications. I am not an AMSOIL dealer but I like looking up specs for lubricants before I buy.
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99 QC Diesel,5spd, white,Luverne SS step bars, Mopar long mud flaps, A. R. E. cap with walk thru door, SS rock side panels, JC Whitney front bumper 14" guards, BED RUG box liner, diamond plate bed rail and bulk head covers.
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99 QC Diesel,5spd, white,Luverne SS step bars, Mopar long mud flaps, A. R. E. cap with walk thru door, SS rock side panels, JC Whitney front bumper 14" guards, BED RUG box liner, diamond plate bed rail and bulk head covers.
My oil filter part number is LF3349. Is that the wrong one? What is the diffrence if any? Thanks!
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99 2500 4x4,quad cab,lwb,black sport,4. 10lsd,5-speed,everything but leather,5" Tuff Country suspension lift chromed,3"body lift,38"Ground Hawg radials,16. 5x12 American Eagle wheels,K&N.
2000 24' Weekend Warrior
97 Yamaha Banshee
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99 2500 4x4,quad cab,lwb,black sport,4. 10lsd,5-speed,everything but leather,5" Tuff Country suspension lift chromed,3"body lift,38"Ground Hawg radials,16. 5x12 American Eagle wheels,K&N.
2000 24' Weekend Warrior
97 Yamaha Banshee
im due for my first oil change at 3900 miles. is it ok to use premium blue semi synthetic. i thought you can't use any synthetic oil till well broken in.
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Y2K, 2500, SLT, QC, LB, 4x4,Cummins of course, 3. 54,Michelin M&S265/75,driftwood, tow and camper, trip computer, sliding rear window, agate leather,cab lights and all the rest of the options I could fit, including auto (my wifes request),Ventshade Vent Visors, Bedliner, Diamond Plate rail caps and tailgate protector, diamond plate Delta tool box, Sidewinder anti-theft alarm with keyless entry, Sanyo wireless remote 10 disc CD player, Midland 77-115 40 CB.
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Y2K, 2500, SLT, QC, LB, 4x4,Cummins of course, 3. 54,Michelin M&S265/75,driftwood, tow and camper, trip computer, sliding rear window, agate leather,cab lights and all the rest of the options I could fit, including auto (my wifes request),Ventshade Vent Visors, Bedliner, Diamond Plate rail caps and tailgate protector, diamond plate Delta tool box, Sidewinder anti-theft alarm with keyless entry, Sanyo wireless remote 10 disc CD player, Midland 77-115 40 CB.
I have decided to go to the 11,250 oil change before switching to the Blue 2000. I am at 10,800 now and just picked up a couple of cases of the oil today. I talked to Cummins Southern Plains and decided to join the Power Masters Club for a extra savings of 10% on all oil and parts.
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2000 3500QC 4x4, 6-speed, 3. 54, Patriot Blue, SLT+, every option, Mopar brushed aluminum side rails,
Mopar $$$ tow hooks that should be standard.
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2000 3500QC 4x4, 6-speed, 3. 54, Patriot Blue, SLT+, every option, Mopar brushed aluminum side rails,
Mopar $$$ tow hooks that should be standard.
Just thought I'd pass on a little information that I got on PB2000. I had been running it since I got my truck (bought it with 24,000 miles on it). I decided to try LE lubes (check out https://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000306.html for the debate on LE - I decided to use it, btw) in my diffs and t-case. While researching the lubes I got the test results that LE had on a number of engine oils. The 2 tests that I have the results for are the Falex pin & vee block wear test (ASTM D-2670) and the TFOUT (ASTM D-4742). To my horror PB2000 tested WORSE than PB on both these tests! The results for PB2000 were a FAIL on the ASTM D-2670 and 291 minutes on the ASTM D-4742 and the PB was a Pass and 16 teeth of wear on the 2670 and 361 minutes on the 4742. LE explains that the 2670 test is "somewhat like "cold engine start," which produces the highest engine wear rates. " and the 4742 test for oxidation resistance, "the longer the induction time, the better the oxidation resistance of the oil. " I decided to stop using the PB2000 at that point. BTW, if anyone wants some PB2000 cheap I've got some for sale - I think I've got 5-6 gallon jugs of it.
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-Steve St. Laurent - President of the Great Lakes TDR, Chapter Forums Moderator
'98 Quad Cab Long Bed (CMNSPWR), 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 4. 10 LSD, Prime-loc remote fuel filter, boost & pyro gauges, TST Powermax, muffler eliminator, 5" chrome tip, BD Exhaust Brake, Isspro turbo temp monitor, Permatech spray in liner, Grizzly stainless nerf bars, Stull SS grill & bumper inserts, Front Draw-Tite receiver, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO's
[This message has been edited by Steve St. Laurent (edited 04-17-2000). ]
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-Steve St. Laurent - President of the Great Lakes TDR, Chapter Forums Moderator
'98 Quad Cab Long Bed (CMNSPWR), 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 4. 10 LSD, Prime-loc remote fuel filter, boost & pyro gauges, TST Powermax, muffler eliminator, 5" chrome tip, BD Exhaust Brake, Isspro turbo temp monitor, Permatech spray in liner, Grizzly stainless nerf bars, Stull SS grill & bumper inserts, Front Draw-Tite receiver, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO's
[This message has been edited by Steve St. Laurent (edited 04-17-2000). ]
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It is approved by Cummins/DC - whether it is safe would be a personal call, IMO. I personally decided to not use the 5+ gallons that I have on hand given the info that I had on hand. If it were me and I were making the choice between Premium Blue and Premium Blue 2000 (discounting all of the other oils out there), I'd just go with the Premium Blue.
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