Veg oil as additive???

[DodgeWarlock]

This is probably a crazy question, but would simply adding a 2% ratio of vegetable oil to your fuel at fill-up cause any problems. I know it will help lubricisity. I understand if you preheat the motor it will run on straight vegetable oil, but would it cause problems as just an additive to fuel. I figure it would take about 1/2 gal for a 25 gallon fill. I would just switch to biodiesel but the only place I know of locally is 25 miles away and I don't go that way very often. Although at $2. 00 a gal it's quickly becoming cost effective to do so. I used to run Power Service and it did help the mileage a little, but not enough to be cost effective. But from what I've learned here it does very little for lubricisity with the new ULSD.

 

[DCreed]

the oil needs to be @ 180* to work tne motor temp isnt all that important but veg oil and WVO clog filters easily also they have a strong detergent effect.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I suspect the recent "additive reports" showing that the use of 2% Biodiesel as vastly superior to the best "lubricity additives" is the basis for this thread question - but perhaps it would be more accurate to ask if use of some off-the-shelf jug of cooking oil is the same as the processed stuff some stations use and sell in their Biodiesel...



Can a person use that cooking oil as an"additive" in their fuel? SURE, but will it deliver the expected results?



THAT is the question!

 

[Headshot zod]

If it gets cold enough the veg oil will come out of solution and settle on the bottom of your fuel tank. I've had this happen.

 

[DCreed]

has anyone had success running a 24v VP44 truck on WVO ?

 

[cj hall]

veg oil

Hello DodgeWarlock

the veg oil at 1/2 gallon per 25 gallons would do nothing to the diesel but make it better in the lubricity area.



Mr Headshot Zod

I have never seen this happen ,I do know if you want it to stay mixed up gasoline is the answer and it really only takes a little.



As far as working will I would have to say yes it does.



The first thing I noticed is when running veg oil in the diesel at about 30 % vegoil the truck was running about 250 rpm's less at 75 mph than before I started using it.



The 24v vp44 engine running WVO I have one running DSE Blend Fuel and having zero problem's with it if your talking running a twin tank setup then you need someone else with that info.



cj hall

 

[DodgeWarlock]

My goal was simply to find a reasonable way to increase lubricisity for the ULSD. My concern is protecting the fuel system from any increased wear. I'd rather spend $3 every fill up than BIG$$$$ for a vp44, but I don't want the solution to cause more problems. I had also considered 2-cycle oil, but liked the idea that the veg oil was also a fuel (rather than just an additive).

 

[cj hall]

hello DodgeWarlock



then I would try the vegoil. It works, Its cheap, and Its fuel.



good luck and happy fueling.



cj hall

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

My goal was simply to find a reasonable way to increase lubricisity for the ULSD. My concern is protecting the fuel system from any increased wear. I'd rather spend $3 every fill up than BIG$$$$ for a vp44, but I don't want the solution to cause more problems. I had also considered 2-cycle oil, but liked the idea that the veg oil was also a fuel (rather than just an additive).

Not sure about that last statement - 2-stroke oil is REFINED specially to be used as both a fuel and lubricant - veggie oil is "refined" to fry your eggs! :-laf



I'm like you - if someone could assure me the veggie oil would provide better lubricity - WITHOUT serious unwanted side effects - than the 2-stroke oil I now use, I'd switch in a heartbeat!

 

[MMeier]

The first thing I noticed is when running veg oil in the diesel at about 30 % vegoil the truck was running about 250 rpm's less at 75 mph than before I started using it.

How is that possible? Does veggie oil do something to your overall gearing when you put it in your tank?

 

[DodgeWarlock]

Yeah, I'd never hear the end if something left "my better half" stuck on the side of the road. Especially, if it did real damage to"her truck". As long as enough evidence supports it, I'll try it. Just don't want to jump blindly. I might be a little braver if it was just one of my old trucks.



Hey Gary, what ratio are you using with your 2-cycle oil?

 

[cj hall]

ok its sounds like you might not think that this is right.



lets say you take sand and start pumping it thru your injection pump in small amounts will it take more horsepower to turn the pump?



but if you take something really slick and start pumping it will it take less horsepower to turn the pump?



the veg oil has so much lubricity it makes the injection pump easy to pump the fuel that means more power the less friction in your drivetrain the easier the engine needs to work going down the road at the same speed.



friction is what we are dealing with thats where most of the heat comes from in an engine.



and yes I bet you would not here the end of it if you strand her beside the road. lucky for me even at 75% blend fuel and 25% diesel I have not done that to mine. BUT SHE LOVES THE MONEY WE SAVE DOING THIS.



cj hall

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Hey

Gary, what ratio are you using with your 2-cycle oil?

I used to use 1 quart of oil mixed with another quart of PS Diesel Kleen per tank of diesel - but after reading 2 different reports concerning tested lubricity of various brands and alternative additives such as AT fluid and used motor oil, I have now gone to 3 pints of oil to 1 pint of PS per tankful - I trust the lubricity of the oil more than I do the PS, based upon those lab tests...



Here again is the most recent of those tests for those who might have missed it:



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[DCreed]

so 2% bio is the best?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

so 2% bio is the best?

YUP, as far as pure lubricity is concerned, looks thataway!

 

[JFaughn]

Do not get confused , vegi oil & bio diesel are not the same .
But using either at 2% will by any data found will not cause any problems , we have to assume for the sake of this conversation that you using quality diesel , bio , vegi , like any fuel there can be bad batches of , but that a different conversation .
cj , it has been interesting to see your posts , but now I'm jumping off the band wagon with the RPM statement , it just doesn't get by the logic filter .

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Do not get confused , vegi oil & bio diesel are not the same .

EXACTLY!



And the question remains - will adding 2% of veggie, even the BEST stuff, do the same in terms of lubricity improvement as 2% Biodiesel seems to...



Anyone have a clear and established answer?

 

[DCreed]

EXACTLY!



And the question remains - will adding 2% of veggie, even the BEST stuff, do the same in terms of lubricity improvement as 2% Biodiesel seems to...



Anyone have a clear and established answer?

and if possible which types and how much ? benefit/downside ratios.

 

[DodgeWarlock]

EXACTLY!



And the question remains - will adding 2% of veggie, even the BEST stuff, do the same in terms of lubricity improvement as 2% Biodiesel seems to...



Anyone have a clear and established answer?

Since most everyone seems to be in agreement about the risks, that does appear to be the question. Would 2% veggie compare to 2% biodiesel and be a good additive choice compared to 2-cycle? Both are readily available and cost comparison seems to be pretty close(based on 1qt 2-cycle vs. 2gts veg oil), so it's all about the performance.

 

[JFaughn]

The same lubricity is there in both vegi oils , the difference is that in the vegi , it still has the glycerins in it the the bio does not , the problem is the glycerins , burning , gelling ect. , this seems to be why any place that has labs , chemist ect do not waste there time testing unprocessed oils , they know from the start that in order to certify as fuel for diesels , they have to start with processing .
But again the original posting was about lube & % , the lube is there & the % is so low that any harmful effects should be minimal for a long time , much like the users of vegi oil & mixing with gas , diesel & other chemicals , with blends they cutting the % of having issues , the issues are still there they just modified the % , unlike WVO , very little change in % of affecting the issues , some are also what fuel systems , tne more vulnerable VP systems , common rail also , but with the more robust P pumps the is much lower % of issues .
I guess the easy way of dealing with this is if you can not find B100 , or what ever to use as the additive , find a source of the additive the the study .