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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) VERY Strange Electrical Problem...

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I have been having a problem with my 02 for about four months. The truck will randomly not shift out of first gear! I started with the usual check and clean the gov solenoid, replace the transducer, and replace the speed sensor.

I quickly decided it was much more complex than just a normal issue.



I have just recently discovered that if you disconnect the two pin connector on the alternator the gov pressure will work just fine and I get proper shifting. But of course with that disconnected I am not charging my batteries.



Next I found that if I disconnect the transmission harness or pull the trans relay in the PDC the alternator also quits charging!!!!????:{



Any obvious connection here? I have replaced the alternator with a new unit from Chrysler replaced the PCM with a reman unit and ran about ten new grounds. This problem is getting the best of me. Please help me figure this out. Thanks
 
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battery terminals???

I felt obligated to chime in. I recall my Dodge dealer telling me that there was an issue with the automatics such that if you had poor connections on the battery terminals (specifically the negative one) that folks with automatic transmissions might experience shifting problems. I know it sounds far-fetched, but maybe it's worth checking out.
 
Have you separated the alternator wire from the other wires in the loom that runs from alternator along the engine? The electrical interference caused the torque converter to lock/unlock randomly.

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Sounds to me like your Alternator is

I have been having a problem with my 02 for about four months. The truck will randomly not shift out of first gear! I started with the usual check and clean the gov solenoid, replace the transducer, and replace the speed sensor.

I quickly decided it was much more complex than just a normal issue.



I have just recently discovered that if you disconnect the two pin connector on the alternator the gov pressure will work just fine and I get proper shifting. But of course with that disconnected I am not charging my batteries.



Next I found that if I disconnect the transmission harness or pull the trans relay in the PDC the alternator also quits charging!!!!????:{



Any obvious connection here? I have replaced the alternator with a new unit from Chrysler replaced the PCM with a reman unit and ran about ten new grounds. This problem is getting the best of me. Please help me figure this out. Thanks
Not grounded properly,to test the ground on the alternator,take your volt meter set it to the lowest voltage setting,less than a volt. Place one probe on the battery ground the other on the case of the alternator it should read less than 250millivolts.
 
Measuring the voltage drop across two points is the more correct way to produce meaningful measurements within a powered circuit. Measuring resistance is the only thing that will work in an unpowered circuit.

Measuring either the voltage drop or the resistance will tell you if you have a poor connection.
 
how would you check the voltage drop? I guess you would have to check it in two different places (at alt and at bat) and compare the two?
 
how would you check the voltage drop? I guess you would have to check it in two different places (at alt and at bat) and compare the two?
Exactly, but a more thorough way is (from Voltage Drop Testing at ezinearticles.com):



For any electrical component to work properly, it must receive the correct current flow. Low current to a light bulb, for example, makes the light dim. Low current to a compressor clutch coil reduces the magnetic field and may allow the clutch to slip or not engage at all. For proper current flow to exist, the circuit must have the correct source voltage applied, and be free of any "unwanted" resistance in the circuit. And the best way to test this is to measure voltage drop with the circuit "working".



Here are the steps to take to perform a voltage drop test:



1. Connect your DVOM negative lead to the battery's negative post.



2. Connect your DVOM positive lead to the battery's positive post and measure its voltage. Record this reading.



3. Connect your DVOM positive lead to the positive side of the load being tested, as close to the load as possible.



4. Operate the circuit, and record your measurement.



5. Connect your DVOM positive lead to the negative side of the load being tested, as close to the load as possible.



6. Operate the circuit and record your measurement.



Let's take a closer look at these steps. First, we want to test the integrity of the ENTIRE circuit so placing your test leads at the battery is a must. You can make an extension lead for your DVOM so you can always connect to the battery ground terminal with your negative meter lead. Second, it is important to know the source voltage available. If the battery is weak to start with, your circuit is already working with a handicap. Even better is to measure source voltage with the engine running, and use that as your baseline.



In the third step, you are making sure all that source voltage is arriving at its ultimate destination... the load. Getting as close to the load as possible insures you are testing the entire path. On the positive side of the load, you should read within 0. 50 volts of your source voltage, i. e. if you started with 14. 56 volts you should read no less than 14. 06 volts. This applies to most basic circuits. If you are diagnosing a control module related circuit, you may want to look for even less than that.



In step #5, you are looking for unwanted guests robbing your load downstream. Remember, all the voltage potential should have been used by the load. If you get a voltage reading of 0. 50v or more here, there is someone else at home stealing potential from the primary component. This unwanted source may be ultimately found way "downstream" of the load, maybe even at the battery connection itself. Even so, it will still cause the voltage reading at the load to be over 0. 50v. This is due to the available voltage being split proportionally between the two, and tends to throw techs new to voltage drop testing off. Remember, current flow is instantaneous throughout the circuit. Again, in the case of module related circuits, a little less is better. Stay as close to the load as you can to make sure you check the entire ground path.

Remember, current flow is only going to happen with the circuit turned on and working. Don't forget to operate the circuit when taking your measurements.



My Reading Is Out Of Range. Now What?



Experience is a guide here, as in all things. Typically, unwanted resistances are the result of poor grounds or poor connections, either in a harness connector or switch contact, and will result in an obvious, out of range measurement. To find the little unwanted guest, all you have to do is "backtrack" from your load back to the battery. Here, you will need to spend some time with a schematic for the circuit you are working on and use a little common sense. For example, if there are parallel branches on the circuit, are all branches affected? If so, focus on that section of wiring common to all. If not, focus on that section that is unique to the component you are diagnosing. Move back towards the battery at logical points (harness connections, switch contacts, splice points, etc. ) until your DVOM reading is back to normal. That means you passed the unwanted guest and all you have left to do is narrow the search between your last two test points.



Some voltage measurement on the ground side of a working load is normal. If no ground exists at all, you will measure source voltage on both sides of the load. If the ground side measures 0. 0 volts on the money, and the component is receiving correct source voltage, then the load likely has an internal open.



What if both sides of the load test just fine, but it still doesn't work right? If you tested right at the load, there is only one area left untested... the load itself. In this case, you most likely have a failed component. A good example of this is a solenoid that is failed mechanically, not electrically.



Remember, too, to not take shortcuts in your initial tests. It is vitally important that you test the entire path the current is taking from and back to the battery. A common mistake is to use a chassis ground under the dash when testing inside the car. But don't forget, that chassis ground point still has to make it back to the battery, typically through a few more connections, before the ground path is complete. That inoperative HVAC module could be simply a bad connection at the bulkhead connector or firewall ground eyelet, and you'll miss it if you cut corners. Done properly, a voltage drop test will quickly isolate which side of the circuit has the problem, and save you diagnostic time in the process.
 
i usuall google alot but abreviations I usually dont due to the multiple answers I usually get. I figured I woulda got something like Don't Vote ObamaMama
 
Thanks for all the replies guys! LOL @ DVOM:-laf



I found the problem in a VERY unexpected place... A relay. The "ASD" relay in the PDC was bad and would work intermittently. This is proof that things happen for a reason. About six months ago I bought one extra small relay from Chrysler:cool:
 
how would you check the voltage drop? I guess you would have to check it in two different places (at alt and at bat) and compare the two?

JLandry provided a thorough description. Here is a one-sentence description: a circuit's voltage drops across every electrical resistance. A resistor, a diode, a transistor partially 'open', a light bulb and a relay's control coil will all exhibit a drop in the voltage across the component because there is a 'resistance' through the component.

Consider a torque converter, where HP in must equal HP out (less power lost due to heating the trans oil); if you are putting 400 HP into the TC at 3000 RPM and the output is turning 1500 RPM, you can easily compute the input and output torques (left as an exercise for the student). In an electrical circuit, current (amps) in must equal current out. Since current and power must be constant across the circuit (P=IV), the only item left to vary is voltage.

In an automotive circuit where you might have a bad ground connection, you would look for a voltage drop across various connections. For instance, if you see a 10V drop across a headlight and the input to the headlight is 12VDC, you'll know yuo have a dicey connection somewhere between the ground side of the bulb and the battery's NEG terminal.

A VOM won't tell you what the problem is. But it sure can uncover strong clues. And can help you zero in on the location of the problem.
 
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i'm no electriciam but wouldn't you want to set it on Ohms and check for resistance?



No, if excessive voltage is present the ohmmeter will be destroyed. An ohmmeter supplies a very small voltage and calculates the resistance from that known voltage and the resulting current through the system under test.
 
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