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O. K. made a few phone calls yesterday to the local Michelin and Goodyear retread dealers and was told by everyone I spoke to that it is illeagal to run retreads on the front. The one exception, I was told, is some garbage fleets but the retreads have to be a "certified front". I'm confused and think I'm just going to wait until I can spring for new tires.



Gino
 
Gino, first let me say you run what you think is best.



I couldn't be happier to run my Michelin XDC retreads. As I said earlier, they work better than my brand new Bridgestone M 724's did in every respect.



If I was buying new, I'd consider the ones you already did, either the 8R19. 5 Cooper 140's or the Hankook DH-01's. Run 'em til they're bald (that will take a while... . ) then have 'em retreaded up to 2 more times, for under $ 100 ea. You can't lose with that set up !



BTW, you were told incorrect information on the law by those tire dealers - funny how rumor goes as law these days. (then again, a glance at our border & immigration issues and we see MASSIVE ignorance of law, don't we... . )



Anyhow, the law states, that only passenger busses of any type may NOT run retreads on the front - all others may, commercial or private if the owner so wishes.



You can find all this at www.retread.org. Here's the law cite & some FAQ I found there:



MOTOR CARRIER SAFETY



Applies to California ONLY



Excerpt from Title 13

California Code of Regulations

(Current through Register 98, No. 19)

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*1087 Tire Condition and Use



(c) Recapped Tires. Tires recapped or retreaded for highway use shall have a tread pattern that complies with Section 27465 of the Vehicle Code and with this section. Retreaded or recapped tires shall not be used on front wheels of a bus or farm labor vehicle. Such tires shall not be used on the front wheels of truck tractors or motortrucks listed in Vehicle Code Section 34500 unless the tires are in compliance with the following requirements:

(1) Tires shall have been retreaded or recapped not more than 2 times and shall contain no casing repair other than required by a nail puncture.

(2) Tires shall conform to either the labeling and other requirements of the 1972 CRSC Retreading Specifications and Standards or to the Industry Standards For Tire Retreading & Repairing revised September 1, 1995. Tires retreaded on or after November 1, 1997, shall conform to the Industry Standards For Tire Retreading & Repairing revised September 1, 1995.





**Please note: Industry Standards For Tire Retreading & Repairing has been revised, June 2001 AND the above has NOT Changed.

The full text of Title 13, California Code of Regulations is available from: Barclays Law Publishers, 415/732-880. OR please contact the TRIB office.



RETREAD FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)





Q. Are there any driving conditions where retreaded tires should not be driven?



A. No. Retreaded tires can be driven wherever comparable new tires can be driven. The only restriction is on the steer axle of busses hauling passengers.




Q. Where does rubber on the road come from?



A. The rubber pieces you see on the road come from both new and retreaded tires. It is important to note that most of the rubber on the road comes from truck tires and is caused mainly by underinflation, overloading, and tire abuse. See Rubber on the Road: Issues & Answers.





Q. Are retreaded tires really as safe as new tires?



A. Yes. Adjustment percentages of retreaded tires are about the same as with new tires. Statistics compiled by the U. S. Department of Transportation show that nearly all tires involved in any tire related accidents are underinflated or bald. Properly maintained tires, whether new or retreaded, do not cause accidents.





Q. Do any standards (federal or industry) control the quality and safety of retreaded tires?



A. Yes. Passenger, light pick-up, and 4x4 tires are retreaded according to standards established by the U. S. Department of Transportation and carry a code number (**) on the sidewall indicating where and when the tire was retreaded. Due in part to the standards established by the truck retread tire industry, the U. S. Department of Transportation has not developed regulations for manufacturing retreaded truck tires. The overall quality of retreaded truck tires has increased dramatically in recent years with the introduction of high technology, including the use of computers in manufacturing and non-destructive tire testing.

As with passenger car tires, most problems with truck tires can be traced back to poor maintenance (primarily underinflation) and abuse (overloading). See: The Importance of Proper Tire Inflation



(**) Link directly to Search page, for Name and Location of Retread Plant when 3 letter DOT CODE is known. http://www.retread.org/packet/index.cfm/ID/180.htm



Q. Can I buy retreaded RADIAL and HIGH PERFORMANCE tires?



A. Yes. Steel belted and non-steel belted radials and high performance tires are retreaded. Since high performance tires are usually manufactured with cap plies, the retreadability of the original tire casing is greatly improved. See Retread Tire Buyers Guide.



Q. Can retreaded tires be driven at highway and interstate speeds?



A. Yes. Retreaded tires can be driven at the same legal speeds as comparable new tires with no loss in safety or comfort.



Q. How long will they last?



A. With proper maintenance and care, retreaded tires will provide the same amount of service as comparable new tires. Retreads tread life varies from the same as a comparable new tire to 75% of a new tire. The variables here, relative to a comparable new tire are, 1. Retreads often start with less tread depth, 2. Due to casing conditions, the retread footprint may be smaller/narrower then the new tire, 3. Trailer tires are removed from service for reasons other then wear out over 80% of the time, especially with in-line haul service. See: The Importance of Proper Tire Inflation".





Well, there's some food for thought. The guys who sold me my 19. 5 retreads at TCI Commercial Tire in El Cajon, CA ,mounted 'em on my truck, they knew the law said I could run 'em.



One young underling there arrogantly asked why they were mounting 'em in the steer position, claiming they were only drive tires and misquoted the law (like the guys you talked with) to me:



I said, do you know what they law precisely says ? He says, well not exactly, I quoted it to him exactly, and pointed out, on a 4 WHEEL DRIVE truck, the fronts are also DRIVE WHEELS, so you can rest easy when you put 'em on..... ha ha ha ha ha



Wish you well whatever you do, take care ! Load some pics when you do, please... .



David B.
 
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Thank for the info David. It looks like I have plenty of time to figure out what tires to buy, Americas Tire Co called yesterday to say the wheels are on back order and it will be six weeks before they can ship.



Gino
 
19.5 inch 8 lugs ???

Your post caught me by surprise. I thought you had to have 8 lug to 10 lug adaptors to get a 19. 5 inch tire! Is that the correct picture cause it sure nuff shows 8 lugs.



I need some extra capacity for towing and the 19. 5" would sure do the trick.



how much error do you get on your speedometer?
 
8 lugs is correct

Don't know who you're asking, navyjoe, but if it's me then you are correct. The Rickson wheels are 8 lugs, no adapter needed. The speedo difference depends on the size wheel/tire you buy and how many revs per mile. 225 is virtually no change. 245 Hankooks turn around 622 times per mile, so that's approximately 3 mph difference. 265s would be more. Just tell the dealer the revs per mile and they can change it electronically - for $60, that is.



Another place to check it out is http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.htm. It should be self-explanatory.
 
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jelag said:
Jeremiah



The re-capper provides the tires... . I don't have a clue how many times they have been re-capped... . They are done with a bandag (got to be spelled wrong) cap... Again he is the guy doing it for our UPS repair shop here in Spokane..... We saw the caps on the UPS trucks and since we sell them clutches we just asked... .



Hope this helps...



Jim



Got it, thanks!
 
Tread depth v. tire longevity

Under the stupid question category, will a tread depth of, say, 32/32nds (designed for M/S, obviously) last longer than a tire with a tread depth of, say 18 or 19 (designed for highway use)? If so, why would anybody buy a tire without deep treads? Less noise perhaps?
 
Jeremiah said:
Don't know who you're asking, navyjoe, but if it's me then you are correct. The Rickson wheels are 8 lugs, no adapter needed. The speedo difference depends on the size wheel/tire you buy and how many revs per mile. 225 is virtually no change. 245 Hankooks turn around 622 times per mile, so that's approximately 3 mph difference. 265s would be more. Just tell the dealer the revs per mile and they can change it electronically - for $60, that is.



Another place to check it out is http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.htm. It should be self-explanatory.

Jeremiah, Thanks for the reply and the good information.
 
Vaughn MacKenzie said:
They're aluminum and rated at 4700 lbs.

Vaughn, Can you (or anyone else) give me a phone number of Americas tire? I can't find them on the internet. I live in north Carolina and want to see if they have a similar franchise over here.
 
Navyjoe:



Here's their site: www.Tires.com (how that for simple !)



Enjoy your 19. 5's - Aside from the hummin Cummins under the hood, my 19. 5's are the next most appreciated feature of my Ram !



Take Care, David B



I have pics of my 19. 5's in my readers rigs gallery, [link to the left side of this post]
 
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DBazley said:
Hi guys:



Nice deal - that's a great looking rim ! I wouldn't half mind trading my 19. 5 Rickson steel w/simulators for those.



On tires, you don't have to pay the moon:



You can get fresh tires - 19. 5's for just $ 125 ea : I got Michelin 245 / 70 R 19. 5 in LR 'G' - [14 ply] :D



Take a look at this thread, the last post is mine & has pics:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159089



enjoy... . DB



or have a friend in the towing business... . most roll back tow trucks have 19. 5's and wear the outter 1/2 inch a LOT faster than the rest of the tire. i have 4 19. 5 inch tires, but am waiting on getting some rims... thinking of some black annodized ricksons... .
 
DBazley said:
Navyjoe:



Here's their site: www.Tires.com (how that for simple !)



Enjoy your 19. 5's - Aside from the hummin Cummins under the hood, my 19. 5's are the next most appreciated feature of my Ram !



Take Care, David B



I have pics of my 19. 5's in my readers rigs gallery, [link to the left side of this post]

Thanks! I went there tonight. They did not list Vision rims or at 19. 5" tire catagory (only 19") I will just have to call them. Thanks.



So far I'm having a hard time coming up with at Source for the Vision rims except for Rickson Truck
 
I have heard people buying Vision wheels for $160 in California from Les Schwab. Could you find a TDR member to pick these up for you and send them a couple dollars for their time?
 
Two thoughts:



1) America's Tire in Temecula - they told me when I inquired a couple of months ago that 'we order from Vision wheels all the time' - so look give 'em a call they apparently know.



2) Vision wheels has a webssite, I've seen it - they'll either direct you to a local distributor or if there is none, they should allow you to order direct.



Navyjoe- aren't you in San Diego ? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else - if so sorry.



Vision wheel is located in Santa Fe Springs (LA area), if my faulty memory serves. You might ask if they have any 'blemished' 19. 5's -- you never know !! (those they almost have to sell direct because they can't risk shipping them to have them rejected..... or so the logic usually goes... )



Take Care, David Bazley
 
DBazley said:
Two thoughts:



1) America's Tire in Temecula - they told me when I inquired a couple of months ago that 'we order from Vision wheels all the time' - so look give 'em a call they apparently know.



2) Vision wheels has a webssite, I've seen it - they'll either direct you to a local distributor or if there is none, they should allow you to order direct.



Navyjoe- aren't you in San Diego ? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else - if so sorry.



Vision wheel is located in Santa Fe Springs (LA area), if my faulty memory serves. You might ask if they have any 'blemished' 19. 5's -- you never know !! (those they almost have to sell direct because they can't risk shipping them to have them rejected..... or so the logic usually goes... )



Take Care, David Bazley





2) They will sell to you direct..... AT FULL RETAIL!!! NOT:p



$160 that's the number your looking for. ;)
 
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Sled Dog said:
2) They will sell to you direct..... AT FULL RETAIL!!! NOT:p



$160 that's the number your looking for. ;)

David, I'm on the otherside of the world As in NC mountans. That is usually my problem. Things are hard to find in these parts for my truck.
 
PatrickCampbell said:
I have heard people buying Vision wheels for $160 in California from Les Schwab. Could you find a TDR member to pick these up for you and send them a couple dollars for their time?

Patrick, since I'm so far away I would really like to find a dealer closer to home or deal with a store directly just incase I have a warrenty claim.



Whose dually conversion did you go with?



Also a slightly strange question. Its hard to ask right. On the pasenger side, does the floor have an extended bump in it to the right of the main hump that makes the passenger have to put their feet far to the right? Ive noticed the 2003 and newer take up a lot of leg room due to thr larger turbo and exhaust. Another way of asking is the pasenger side floor the same width as the drivers? My 98 12V is straight and flat with about 24 inches of leg room.
 
navyjoe said:
Patrick, since I'm so far away I would really like to find a dealer closer to home or deal with a store directly just incase I have a warrenty claim.



Whose dually conversion did you go with?



Also a slightly strange question. Its hard to ask right. On the pasenger side, does the floor have an extended bump in it to the right of the main hump that makes the passenger have to put their feet far to the right? Ive noticed the 2003 and newer take up a lot of leg room due to thr larger turbo and exhaust. Another way of asking is the pasenger side floor the same width as the drivers? My 98 12V is straight and flat with about 24 inches of leg room.



According to the Vision site, they supply from 2 locations 1) Rancho Cucamonga(sp) and 2)Decatur Alabama. A little closer to your neck of the woods. But if you buy from the supplier in Decatur there $239. 00 each!! :rolleyes: Plus shipping, Retail!!



However, if you have a friend with a tire shop, muffler shop, oil change etc.

And he owes you a favor, he can get them for $160+ shipping. :cool:
 
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I'm in Northern CA and my Visions shipped from Alabama. One of my wheels is bad and Americas Tire has ordered me a replacement. Check your wheels carfully when you recieve them, I reccomend you have the shop spin the wheels on the balancer before mounting the tires. Watch the wheel closely when it is spining, it makes it easy to spot the problems. They all have a spot on the back where you can see the factory has done some grinding. One of mine had way to much material taken off and left the wheel with one spot of the flange half the thickness of the rest, and the wheel alone 2 1/2 ounces out of balance. I bought the Hankook DH01 tires in the 245/70/R19. 5 size and I am ULTRA impressed with the ride quality and handling. It feels like I am riding on air compared to the factory wheel and tire assembly. I had the Hunter Road Force balancing done and I was very impressed with the quality of the tires. They were all perfectly round and the weight used to zero them on the machine ranged between 2 1/2 ounces to 7 1/2 ounces. Very respectable for tires of this size and weight. I was worried about the offset of the wheels but they are a perfect fit with my Bushwhacker flares. It gives the truck a really heavy duty look. I'll never run light truck wheels and tires again.



Gino
 
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