Viva California!

[illflem]

We can't let California seceded and became part of Russia, we need a place for all the fruits and nuts to go. Key West is full.

 

[danandamy]

LOL! So let me get this right, it's a BAD thing that big businesses want to come to Texas for low taxes? I wasn't talking about the low taxes part, it was the raping the land line. Quite proud of the low taxes, as a matter of fact. The toxic waste? Way out in West Texas. There's nothing out there. Bring it on. Our land is quite fine, thank you and everything we do with it is purely consentual #ad
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Thankfully, here in Texas the rural folks still have a voice in how the state is run. The truth is, if California's rural folks still had a voice in how the state was run, I think they would have a lot fewer problems than what they do. California bashing? Hey, ya'll started this thread. Why should the people suffer for the poor way the state has been run? Because ya'll voted them in there in the first place and life has consequences. Smoking in public places? I don't smoke and don't care to be around it but I don't seriously think I'm losing any years off my life by spending an hour in a restaurant where someone else happens to light up. Remember, when they start to take freedom away, they start with the minority (doesn't have to be racial minority). Majority of people are non smokers so who gives a crap if they whittle the freedom of smokers. Most people drive gassers, who will give a crap when they come after our diesels. Then the guns and so on and so on.

Daniel

 

[Timinator]

Statland,
I think we're talking past each other. I lived in CA while Reagan was Governor. He's a great man. I don't trust the media. I use what they say (when I actually listen to them) to find the other side of the coin. The media are anti free market. I'm not. I have never heard the media say that the power industry did not want to make more plants so that it would not have to sell more power. What happened to PG&E? Why is it bankrupt? Why aren't there enough power plants in CA? Is that because the power industry was deregulated? It seems to me that the industry was regulated to death. I don't live in CA anymore, but I know we are sending power there. The rates aren't cheap either.

 

['956Wheel]

Hey Bill, There is plenty of room in "west Texas" for those fruits & nuts! And they can feed on plutoneum pizza or isotope ice cream! #ad
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Man I love this "other" forum... ya find out a lot about the people, some can't handle it others thrive on it!

Whats a real kick is it seems like everyone has been in CA, lived there, like it or hate it they all got something to say!

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[Joe G.]

The business about "I also don't like the polution,controls they are trying to push down every states throats(it did start in CA didn't it?)" is just more California bashing. Just because things happen first in California doesn't mean that Californians like it any better than you do. I've never tried to push something down any other place's throat and don't know anyone else who has tried. Once when I was talking to a cousin in Ola, AR he mentioned that he thought Arkansas is about 20 years behind the times. My response to that was being behind the times is not all that bad when you think about it.

As far as smoking in public places goes. Most times when a person poisons someone else he risks some time in the slammer. Except for smoking. Anyway, if smoking in a public place is the law where you live it's not because of California. We can't make laws in your state in the first place. Laws are made by your own elected politicos. In this case, in response to those of you who have got sick and tired of eating and working in a gas chamber.



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[Joe G.]

I think my reply has been misunderstood. The point I was trying to make is that if you don't live in California then the laws you live with are enacted by YOUR own state or the feds, NOT California. That includes smoking laws. "California's liberal politics are the scurge of the US" only if YOUR own elected officials let that happen. Of course YOU may have elected a bunch of wimps that let California polititians dictate to them. If that's the case you have BIG problems. As far as the federal government is concerned it's been a while since someone from California was the president and I think the last one was Reagan. The one before that was Nixon. I don't think either one of those guys was a flaming liberal.

What's wrong about bragging about your own state anyway? We should get bashed for that? I don't bash Texas when Texans I know are bragging about Texas. Of course, if I did I would get it from some cousins (I probably have more cousins than any two other members). Has anyone seen a census of fruits and nuts? I don't recall that question on the last census form I filled out. I guess that's just something everybody just "knows". I know a few nuts but no fruits. And a few of the nuts I know live in other states.

Rural California had a lot of influence at one time with our "little federal" system for electing senators. That was by geographic area instead of population just like the US Senate is chosen. That was ruled unconstitutional by the nine old folks on the Potomic with their "one man, one vote" ruling, so now our state senate is chosen by population. Us rural folks really thank the supremes for that one.



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[illflem]

As much as I may bash California it is a beautiful state with a great climate that's why there are so many problems there, too many people want to live there, can't blame them.

CA definitely doesn't have a monopoly on goofy laws though, some of you may remember Michigan's idea to have GPS units installed in all cars so as to measure how many miles they are driven for road tax.

One of CA's ideas for a law I would have liked to seen adapted just to see how it would work is the one that would include your car insurance in the price at the pump for fuel. The sliding scale was to be based on your DMV record. Idea was to get rid of uninsured motorists, something like 20% are uninsured, it never happened. Instead (maybe this has changed) they decided to quit asking for proof of insurance in traffic stops because it was bogging down the courts. This line of reasoning is difficult for me to comprehend.

 

[Shovelhead]

Bought beach-front property in Nevada... .
Waitin' for "The Big One"... ... ... ... ... .
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[Joe G.]

Won't work Ed,

The earthquakes just keep adding to the place. #ad
The last one we had that was over six points raised five miles of coast north of the Matole River. Three feet near the river and five feet five miles north of there. Scared the crap out of a guy bottom fishing off shore a couple of hundred yards in his little tin boat. When the water rushed off the raised part it washed him out about a mile. Then when he got back to the boat ramp at the river and tried to leave he had to wait for the county workers (my son was one of them) to rescue him since part of the road out had fallen in the river.

The biggest quake in recorded history in this country was at New Madrid, MO. 1811 I think. It was felt in VA. I've read estimates that it was a nine pointer! You guys can keep those. Seven pointers scare me bad enuf.

 

[RBrunson]

Born in Los Angeles, left in 1948 and haven't looked back. I do remember when Knotts Berry farm was a berry farm where my Mom worked. They only had about 5 or 6 exibits. We lived 4 miles away, out in the country... . how things have changed.

 

[illflem]

I moved to CA in 1958 when I was 11, they were just figuring out what caused the smog in LA, lived in So. San Joaquin Valley. I remember when Orange county was just oranges. Left in '67 planning never to return, but came back to develop an avocado ranch in '80 for 4 years. Even though I was living 17 miles up 101 from Santa Barbara, in one of the last unspoiled stretches of the So. CA coast, it still got to me. The 6400 acre ranch that had Reagan for a neighbor to the north, I actually shook the great man's hand and talked for awhile when we met up one day, he on horseback, me on a dirtbike. John Travolta was the neighbor to the east, we became good friends, I had a side job maintaining his small fleet of '50s T-Birds, used to go into town with him to watch movies. Ranch also had 3/4 mile of beach. I never even met the owner of the ranch, he was a Saudi oil sheik, just had an unlimited budget. Sounds like good situation right? No way, even though we were far from town the government wouldn't leave us alone. We developed all the irrigation water for the ranch on the ranch's own property, the county wanted us to put meters on the wells and creek diversions and pay for the water. Had the Coastal Commission to deal with also. The topper was the head of the county building dept, her co-workers told me she had a tattoo on her chest that said "This side up in case of rape". She would go jogging every morning in a different area of the county looking for violations. Believe me we had plenty of violations, the county wanted a permit for moving just 20 yards of soil, something that happens every day in a farming operation. What finally sent me back to WA state was when the drought hit, the city of Goleta demanded half of our water, didn't want to see all the work I'd done go to wilt, so headed back to what I call home. Maybe you all can see why CA left a bad taste in my mouth I just wanted to farm, but spent half my time dealing with the government.

 

[Joe G.]

Bill,

It sounds to me like the property you were farming did NOT have the deed to the water rights. If you were getting water from an aquifier with wells I would be surprised if the property had the deed to that water. What this means is that the farm did NOT own that water. This is a common situation in western states, especially in dry areas. The water rights to the property with the house where I grew up in Grass Valley belonged to the Nevada Irrigation District (NID) and the mineral rights belonged to the Empire Mine. What this meant that no wells or mine shafts (big holes) were allowed. Actually, you could not legally set up a rocker and wash dirt looking for color. No problem since we had city water and Dad wasn't a miner.

There are pieces of land for sale by ranches in the state of Nevada that have no grazing rights, water rights, or mineral rights. It's amazing, but they are selling well. If you buy one of those you will own the land but you can't put up a fence (grazing), dig a big hole (mineral), or drill a well (water). Camping is ok but that's about all you can do with that kind of property. Show up with a drilling rig and you will have a problem right away.

My wife's uncle has a ranch near Grass Valley and a stream runs thru it. He buys his water for stock and irrigation from the NID because they own the water. This rights situation has existed for over 100 years. Boise Cascade developed a bunch of home sites and built a lake in Nevada County, CA. Named it Lake of the Pines. They paid their water bill whenever they pleased and made a pest of themselves with the county government. The NID shut them off and made a big mud hole out of their lake. They didn't think anyone had the right to turn off their water. After they paid a big fine in county court they got the water turned back on. No water bill problems since. Those old Cornish miner's descendants that run things in Nevada County don't mess around.

The "20 yards of soil" business sounds like harrasment to me. They may be a bunch of jerks in the Goleta city government (I don't think CA has a monopoly on jerks in government), but I strongly suspect that you may have made an impolite remark or two and p1ssed them off. I've heard of problems with coastal commission regulations in Humboldt County but not that one. The farmers and dairy ranchers around here seem to do any kind of digging they want.

One BIG problem we have is that southern California can't get it thru their heads that they are going to have to get water from the ocean. I think Santa Barbara is the only city that has built a desalination plant. You may have been down there when they did that. In the mean time they are draining the rest of the state with the biggest aquaduct system in the world. The farmers, ranchers, fishermen, counties, and indian tribes in northern CA are left fighting over what's left.

In spite of that I think I'll stay in this hell hole.

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[Sled Puller]

Ditto on Amianthis! (sp?)

And a quote from Hank Jr,
A Country Boy can survive.

California needs the rest of the country WAYYY more then we need it.

Sorry Brandon,no offense to the good Rammers out there! BREAK FREE!

A new battle cry:

FREE THE CALIFORNIAN RAMMERS!
Gene

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['956Wheel]

I find this post very entertaining... all kidding aside!

I would like to ask a question that will cause some to go nuts and others to bash some more... do as you wish. Here goes,

HOW MANY OF YOU BROS ARE FROM CALIFORNIA? #ad


It seems that so many people I meet or talk to are from CA. Yes it is a good place to be from as it's very expensive to live in CA. we pay for the weather! #ad



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[paccool]

Geez!
When reading this topic I had to make sure I didn't get on the chevy site by mistake! #ad


I made a comment in a post several months ago that people in other states had better pay attention and take notes on the California power situation cause it would happen in other states as well. It will friends, and I hope it goes better than it is out here. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better and is going to cost us a fortune for heating and cooling. Just remember that the average folks out here want the same thing everyone else wants - a good life without a lot of hassle.

Stan

 

[Pete Peterson]

Well, finally a question I can answer... .

Third generation born out there. . Left 34 years ago and tried to go back a few times but just didn't like it all that much. .
To fast, too rude, too afraid of minorities, and just too all around green for me. I don't believe in destroying the landscape or anything but I do believe I'd cut the tree down to build my family a home before I'd worry about some dumb bird needing a place to roost, better yet not build a much need development because of some toad.

Yeah I can talk about that state any way I want, I earned that right 34 years ago..... Pete

 

[Wade Hogg]

Has it ever occured that it is not the fault of those generating the power. Everyone seems to blame those "money hungry" generators. One thing that most people don't understand is that electrcity is a use it or lose it thing. when the media talks of a 5% reserve, it is no like the oil reserve, no big battery, but running at 95% of capacity.

Why can DWP have no problem while SCE, SDGE, and PGE are? Could it be the holding companies? A wall street thing. Are the divisions filing for bankruptcy or the parent companies. Look clsoely. Soemone is using this power. If not sold to CA, it is sold elsewhere. There is a demand and it is being supplied. The generators are not selling it at a higher cost to California than other areas. This is a political mess with people to stupid to give in.



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[Joe G.]

I'm not from Missouri but I might as well be. Can anyone show me the numbers about these charges for power? It seems kind of strange to me that municiple utility districts don't seem to be having the same problems that PG&E are having. I have my travel trailer parked in Sacramento where the power is supplied by the Sacramento Municiple Utilities District (SMUD) and I have not seen even one power outage since this mess started. I'm not a trusting soul when it comes to the BS at a press conference, whether it's our governor or a spokesman (oops, spokesperson) from PG&E. What are they being charged compared to what other outfits are being charged anyway?? Are there some backroom shenagans as the governor claims or are they really in trouble as they claim?

 

[NVR FNSH]

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First, I went to school in San Luis Obispo. First place in CA to ban smoking in public places if I recall - best **** thing that ever happened. I for one have never heard of second hand liver failure. The beer in my pint glass doesn't just waft over to your mouth to be swallowed. If my beer does end up in your mouth there just might be a little problem.

Second, I was born in Texas & the majority of my relatives still live there - they can stay there. LA, San Fran, San Diego & Sacramento can be transplanted to El Paso for all I care - lord knows that area ain't gonna do much of anything anyhow.

illflem - you should talk to my dad about the Coastal Commission. He worked for Exxon for 27 years - had lots to do with the Hondo platforms off Gaviota & the Popco NG plant at Los Flores Cyn. As much trouble as you had I doubt it even compares.

Didn't 'deregulation' get passed when Wilson was govenor? Wasn't he a republican? I honestly don't think this whole fiasco can be blamed on the democrats &/or state govt - I believe the PG&E, SDG&E & SCE had a lot to do with the way things went down and that the utitilities wanted price caps to insure their profit when generating costs went down due to a free market on the generating side. Didn't the utilities have to agree to the deregulation 'rules'? If they thought it was going to hurt them do you really think they would have agreed? Sounds like something backfired.

The lack of power plants is not because of the fruits & nuts - it's due to NIMBY (not in my backyard). 'City' folks in CA don't want to have their ocean/mtn view spoiled by a power plant or oil derrick. Go to Bakersfield/Taft and they say bring on the oil wells. Different parts of CA have entirely different views on things. Just look at that color coded presidential votes by county map... .

Brian

 

[illflem]

Brian, I saw what Exxon did in Los Flores Cyn. a friend of mine lived right at the mouth of the canyon. They spared no expense, even replanted the lemon orchard where the pipeline went though. Excellent job. You should be proud to hail from SLO, It was one of few coastal counties on the entire west coast that voted Republican last time.