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Posted on June 4th, 2012 • by David Zatz
A reliable source has told Allpar that diesel Ram 1500s are being assembled for testing, but that production is likely some ways off. The vehicles are not being built on the regular assembly line, indicating that the company is in the initial stages of testing for fit, clearance, initial tuning, and temperature control.
The diesel chosen was not the Cummins V6 or V8 models, which are used by Nissan and the U. S. military and were originally to go into various Rams; instead, it appears that Chrysler is choosing to use the VM 3. 0 V6 diesel, which counts as an internal Fiat unit. Chrysler has used VM diesels for many years in its European cars, and the 3-liter V6 is a modern unit that can pass both American and European emissions standards.

Both rearwheeldrive and 4×4 versions are being built for testing.

It is likely that the VM was chosen not because it is a Fiat engine, but because it is to be used in other domestic vehicles, most likely including future Grand Cherokees. Using a common engine reduces the number of parts dealers must stock, reduces mechanics' increasingly high training load, and helps to keep service mechanics and engineers familiar with the design.

While most current European Chryslers (such as Wrangler and Lancia Voyager) use the 2. 8 liter VM diesel, some expect them to move to the 3-liter V6 (a completely different engine family) to keep up with increasingly tough emissions standards, especially if diesels are popular in the United States. European and American diesel standards are scheduled to get closer, making it easier to use the same engines in both countries, but also presenting challenges for updating existing engine families.

While no diesel Wrangler is expected for the current generation, a new generation of Wranglers is currently under development, which would be more likely to use the new V6 diesel than the existing powerplant. The Lancia Voyager/Dodge Caravan is also being re-engineered, presenting an opportunity to “re-motorvate. ” Diesel engines typically provide around 25-35% greater fuel efficiency, with stronger torque and lower horsepower than similar gasoline engines.
 
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I'd be fine with that. The engine that was in our Liberty was a good one (I think that was a VM). It gave decent mileage and had great power for such a small package/vehicle. I would love to see a smaller inline 6 in the 1500 but right about now I really don't care as long as we get a diesel option in the half ton offerings.
 
Unless Fiat has come A LONG WAY on the quality of their auto and motors then I will stay away form them FIAT stands Fix ItAgainTony. Wife and I rented a car on a vacation in Europe it was a Fiat. 1st one didn't make it out of the rental parking lot 2ond made it to he main hwy but died shortly there after 3rd died at the driveway taking it back to the rental from when the 2ond one died and they brought out 3 for us to use. Went to the next rental store and rented a BMW nice but pricey.
 
I had one of the last Iveco trucks sold in the US, and while the truck had issues, the Fiat engine was bulletproof. It wasn't as smooth or powerful as a 12 valve, but it was troublefree.



The new Mercedes V6 is a throw-away time bomb IMO. It doesn't carry on the heritage of their in-line engines of the past.
 
I had one of the last Iveco trucks sold in the US, and while the truck had issues, the Fiat engine was bulletproof. It wasn't as smooth or powerful as a 12 valve, but it was troublefree.



The new Mercedes V6 is a throw-away time bomb IMO. It doesn't carry on the heritage of their in-line engines of the past.
Interesting. We had four Iveco cabovers. The engines smoked like banshees,LOUSY brakes and they were in the shop constantly. We switched to Isuzu's which were a dab better aside from bunk automatics and brakes that wore prematurely. Finally,we switched to Hino 4 cylinders w/Allison autos. Absolutely the easiest to drive ,most reliable vehicle I ever driven.

These vehicles were for the school system here with driver's that would have destroyed manuals,thus the autos were purchased.
 
Weird the company that I worked for use an Iveco truck as a parts runner it had the same motor as the Chevy diesel trucks V8's

They also tried the MB diesel motors in our large trucks they went freight liner for 3 trucks and sent them packing WAPOS they were. When they came in I thought MB how bad can this be!! One of the mechanics was factory trained MB (car mech in Germany) he even said WAPOS.
 
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Interesting. We had four Iveco cabovers. The engines smoked like banshees,LOUSY brakes and they were in the shop constantly. We switched to Isuzu's which were a dab better aside from bunk automatics and brakes that wore prematurely. Finally,we switched to Hino 4 cylinders w/Allison autos. Absolutely the easiest to drive ,most reliable vehicle I ever driven.
These vehicles were for the school system here with driver's that would have destroyed manuals,thus the autos were purchased.

It's not surprising that Hino trucks proved reliable and durable in your application. My understanding is that Hino is Toyota or that Toyota is the parent company. I am surprised that a Hino truck would be equipped with an Allison when Aisin is a Japanese company that builds similar transmissions for dozens of Asian as well as Eurpean and American automobiles. Ram has been using Aisin transmissions in C&C trucks since '07 and info from the Ram website seems to be saying that in 2013 Rams w/Cummins engines will use an Aisin automatic.
 
We have the 2. 8 VM Moteri in the wifes Liberty CRD. Currently have 68K on it and it has been a great engine that makes the Libby a little torque monster.

If they put the 3. 0 in the Wrangler, I would snap up a 4 door in a heartbeat when we need to replace the Libby.
 
It's not surprising that Hino trucks proved reliable and durable in your application. My understanding is that Hino is Toyota or that Toyota is the parent company. I am surprised that a Hino truck would be equipped with an Allison when Aisin is a Japanese company that builds similar transmissions for dozens of Asian as well as Eurpean and American automobiles. Ram has been using Aisin transmissions in C&C trucks since '07 and info from the Ram website seems to be saying that in 2013 Rams w/Cummins engines will use an Aisin automatic.



Hino started with the Allisons probably over 20 years ago, long before Aisin or Jatco had anything that would work in a MD truck. IIRC, they used the 4-speed AT540 or 545. I had customers who had older Hino's and they swore by them.



I have to agree with some of what Regcabguy said about the Iveco, it wasn't the cleanest running engine. And the brakes, (air over hydraulic), forget about it. They were marginal at best, and the parts were astronomical, like you were buying brakes for the space shuttle. One day I had a failure of the parking brake valve where it kept the brake chambers pressurized while the system pressure had bled down to zero. An employee went to move the truck, only to discover it had no brakes. Fortunately, it happened at the store, not at a customer's house where the target could have been a Porsche, Ferrari, a big Mercedes, or even a Bentley or a Roller. The valve was not serviceable, a new one was over $400.



BIG, I've never heard of a Chevy in an Iveco, perhaps it was the GM version of the Isuzu. Iveco used air cooled Deutz engines before they went to the Fiat engine. Why anyone would buy an Isuzu with a gas engine is beyond me, although they seem to be more popular now with the price differential of the two fuels and the cost increase of the after treatment system on the diesel.
 
Hino started with the Allisons probably over 20 years ago, long before Aisin or Jatco had anything that would work in a MD truck. IIRC, they used the 4-speed AT540 or 545. I had customers who had older Hino's and they swore by them.

I have to agree with some of what Regcabguy said about the Iveco, it wasn't the cleanest running engine. And the brakes, (air over hydraulic), forget about it. They were marginal at best, and the parts were astronomical, like you were buying brakes for the space shuttle. One day I had a failure of the parking brake valve where it kept the brake chambers pressurized while the system pressure had bled down to zero. An employee went to move the truck, only to discover it had no brakes. Fortunately, it happened at the store, not at a customer's house where the target could have been a Porsche, Ferrari, a big Mercedes, or even a Bentley or a Roller. The valve was not serviceable, a new one was over $400.

BIG, I've never heard of a Chevy in an Iveco, perhaps it was the GM version of the Isuzu. Iveco used air cooled Deutz engines before they went to the Fiat engine. Why anyone would buy an Isuzu with a gas engine is beyond me, although they seem to be more popular now with the price differential of the two fuels and the cost increase of the after treatment system on the diesel.

I may have worded that wrong it wouldn't be the first time . It was the same DIESEL motor that the Chevy pickup has in it Isuzu I think they are. I used it just to run to our refinery in So cal to pick up a 55 gal drum of oil and asked when I got back about it. It was a haul A** wagon, Fuel cost was nothing to a major oil company our fuel pump was connected to a 3 million gal tank with 5 more tanks in case your truck got thirsty
 
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Useless Fact Of The Day......

One day I had a failure of the parking brake valve where it kept the brake chambers pressurized while the system pressure had bled down to zero. An employee went to move the truck, only to discover it had no brakes. Fortunately, it happened at the store, not at a customer's house where the target could have been a Porsche, Ferrari, a big Mercedes, or even a Bentley or a Roller. The valve was not serviceable, a new one was over $400.



Totally useless fact of the day... ... ... ... . The chain of events described above is called a "False Park"...



Midland Air Brake pulled production some years back of the very popular 12352 trailer brake valve in the USA for the same reason.

You could release the spring parking brakes but not have sufficient air pressure to stop using the brake pedal as the tanks had bled down overnight.



But it is still available in Canada to this day as far as I know. :eek:



Ok, I'm done now.



Mike. :)
 
why in the heck can't Mopar just put a Cummins 4BT in their smaller trucks and call it good?



That would be a great idea- it's all a lot of us would need in a 2500. I would imagine that one of the problems is cost, and then there in the NVH issue with a 4 cylinder engine. By the time an internal balancer is added, it's even more expensive.
 
That would be a great idea- it's all a lot of us would need in a 2500. I would imagine that one of the problems is cost, and then there in the NVH issue with a 4 cylinder engine. By the time an internal balancer is added, it's even more expensive.

I'm sure its cheaper than the 6BT they currently use in the 2500 and up. Personally, the NVH wouldn't bother me... actually I would enjoy the diesel shake and noise to remind me I'm in a TRUCK that's not trying to be a Lincoln Town Car. Build me a 1500 with a 4BT, a six speed stick, crew cab, a/c, cruise and I'll buy it tomorrow and drive it for 20 years.
 
Per USA Today, the original post of this thread is a go. The 1500 will get the diesel option as of the third quarter of this year. The VM V/6 Diesel is made by Fiat/GM.



Nick
 
Another component test for GM. Dodge did the proving test on the on the Full time four wheel drive in the 70's/80's that was the New Process system GM had and Dodge was the test track for them.
 
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