VW no longer making tdi

[JR]

Hey Ozy,

Do they have a fix for SCR equipped cars as well? If I'm not mistaken Euro 6 (introduced in 2014) is similar to current EPA regs.



EPA NOX limits at 0.07 g/mi, which is about to change again in 2017 (I believe).

Euro 6 NOX limits are .08g/km.

Now the US and Europe are still different in other acceptable limits such as PM and CO2 but the NOX is the big one the EPA looks at which makes me wonder why they can't come up with a fix for the SCR equipped cars over here if they can over there.

 

[Jim W]

VW is doing the updates since a couple of months in europe now and they claim there is NO downside with it.
No power loss, same milage, same lifetime for other components of drivetrain.

In europe there is also no buy-back or any other giveaway for the owners around or planned.
Only the free update is available.

But that said, it is in the owners decission to made the upgrade or let it be, it is not mandatory to the owner to see the dealers computer.

So see, big differences between old world and new world.

My wife's 2011 TDI Jetta according to VW, the car can be either repaired or not. Our choice; if we do get the repair we will get about $6500 in cash or we could sell the car back for about $20,000. But neither my wife nor I want another car payment for new car. I am still debating on whether or not to get the repair done if we don't get the repair done than we will not receive the $6500 in cash. But the government doesn't really care, no diesel emission testing in Illinois.
They are just going after the manufacturers not the end users same thing they have done with Harley Davidson and it's a emission issues.

 

[The patriot]

My wife's 2011 TDI Jetta according to VW, the car can be either repaired or not. Our choice; if we do get the repair we will get about $6500 in cash or we could sell the car back for about $20,000. But neither my wife nor I want another car payment for new car. I am still debating on whether or not to get the repair done if we don't get the repair done than we will not receive the $6500 in cash. But the government doesn't really care, no diesel emission testing in Illinois.
They are just going after the manufacturers not the end users same thing they have done with Harley Davidson and it's a emission issues.

Thats a good price.
My parents (took my 2012 passat se) were offered $5600 with the fix, or $19-21K as a buyout. That was a heavily optioned car and it only has 56K miles on it! It's a cherry!
There is no diesel testing here in NJ, and I doubt there is any in Maine (where my car is right now) but you know the first time youre in the dealer for an oil change they'll do it.
If the car was still mine, I'd probably take the $5600/fix deal....let them do whatever they wanted to the computer then send it to Malone and do a DPF delete and remove the DEF system.
Fixed....better than ever!:-laf

 

[brods]

Hey Ozy,

Do they have a fix for SCR equipped cars as well? If I'm not mistaken Euro 6 (introduced in 2014) is similar to current EPA regs.



EPA NOX limits at 0.07 g/mi, which is about to change again in 2017 (I believe).

Euro 6 NOX limits are .08g/km.

Now the US and Europe are still different in other acceptable limits such as PM and CO2 but the NOX is the big one the EPA looks at which makes me wonder why they can't come up with a fix for the SCR equipped cars over here if they can over there.

First off you need to compare apples to apples. .08g/km = .13g/mi or almost twice what the US regs allow. Next factor to account for is the difference in testing parameters when the NOx is measured, where again the US is more stringent. I remember reading somewhere that the diesel cars in Europe actually put out 6 times the NOx they are supposed to under real world conditions, yet they pass the tests over there. Its no surprise that the EU fix would not work here.

 

[JR]

Considering that interim tier 2 (2004-2007) allowed up to .3g /mi, the difference is not that substantial. I am not aware of the testing procedures over seas which may very well be the big difference.

 

[JLEONARD]

Our 99.5 Jetta TDI keeps chugging along getting 49 mpg whether we baby it or beat it.

 

[Dl5treez]

I'm taking the buyback on my 2009 for a variety of reasons.


Sitting @ 139,000 miles, it's due for a timing belt, a major service, front brakes are almost ready, the diesel particulate filter will no doubt need to be cleaned any day now-- and as this is a very early 2009 car with the two-piece cat particulate filter it will require a four figure priced updated part.

Plus the check engine light has been on for the better part of a year with a ghost code for the wastegate actuator and throttle plate sensor, Along with the ever present possibility of major fuel system failures…


Volkswagen is offering me $12,400 to walk away and I'm going to do just that.

 

[AMink]

I have a friend who put a hold on a 2015 Sportwagon TDI in the hopes that it'll get a fix (the 15's have DEF) without a lot of mileage/performance loss. The hope is they'll sell it at a reduced price to move it. We'll have to see how that pans out. We were in the local VW dealer the other day and one of the sales guys was saying he has the same Passat we do. His hope is to sell it back at the buyback amount, then buy it back for less. Again, we'll have to see how that pans out. If the DEF cars can be fixed, I don't see why VW can't "fix" all the engines to meet EPA and start shipping them again. A VW without a diesel is just a Honda/Toyota/insert-other-vanilla-car-here.

 

[BIGNASTY]

We were at a show in Las Vegas Yesterday and I was talking with the lucky fool's that got to sit at a show and talk about Vw . Well anyway I asked when the 17 TDI was coming out and they said Not going to happen. From what he say's VW is no longer able to sell them in the States .Not that I Believe that but wanted to ask Here to see if anyone Else had heard anything . They also said there were going to be some design changes but they have yet to get a picture of thing's .

The instant we heard about the VW & Audi debauchery we contacted the Audi dealer where we bought Penny's A3 Diesel. The same guy owns a Cadillac Dealership, I suggested and they agreed that they give us a HELL of a deal on the Cadillac CTS they took the offer. Later when we went back to look at the Escalade I asked what had happened to the Audi? it was sitting in the back lot with MANY others awaiting their fate.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Old Harvey is still at it......even in the afterlife.

 

[Simplysmn]

I have a friend who put a hold on a 2015 Sportwagon TDI in the hopes that it'll get a fix (the 15's have DEF) without a lot of mileage/performance loss. The hope is they'll sell it at a reduced price to move it. We'll have to see how that pans out. We were in the local VW dealer the other day and one of the sales guys was saying he has the same Passat we do. His hope is to sell it back at the buyback amount, then buy it back for less. Again, we'll have to see how that pans out. If the DEF cars can be fixed, I don't see why VW can't "fix" all the engines to meet EPA and start shipping them again. A VW without a diesel is just a Honda/Toyota/insert-other-vanilla-car-here.

From what I have understood and have seen they can Not Sell any of them until the fix is out and the car is repaired . They can not send them over Sea's or anything .they either have to fix them or Crush them .

 

[frank1]

Just received our official buy back offer from vw yesterday. Just need to sign offer and get it notarized, send back. VW says it will take another 3-4 weeks before we actually have to turn in the car and receive the buy back check. We where considering the " fix", but at this time there is none for the 2.0 engine, so off she goes! To bad nice car! We are now looking at an Audi A6 Quartto (2015). We shall see.
Frank

 

[Simplysmn]

Just did the same in Dec. but we tayed with Vw and bought a VW golf altrack*

 

[Dl5treez]

My car went back Feb 24.....long story short us 2009 owners got the royal flush shaft in this deal without so much as a kiss on the cheek afterwards.

VW changed their rules as the process went on, drug out the appointments, and lowered the value on the car twice during the process. They got their car back looking like a logger crummy and lost a customer.

I'll keep my old beater 97 Passat (sans all VW logos lol) and I'll buy another used VW private party, or from a non VW Group dealer, but as far as my money going directly back to any sort of VW entity the rest of my life.....nope. Hell, I may not even buy my next truck at the local Dodge dealer since they own a VW franchise, too.

Screw that company as far as I'm concerned.

 

[SnoKing]

Maybe things will change when Trump gets in, overhauls everything, and starts to make America great again.

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[The patriot]

My parents took my TDI a few years back
They got 22K+ for it with 60K miles on it.
It had a new set of tiers on it and it was mint.
I inquired about buying it from the dealer, they told me they get shipped out about once a week, and they don't know where they're going to.

 

[AMink]

We are in the "waiting for our appointment with the buyback specialist" mode. As time wears on and a fix has come out for the '15s, I'm starting to think about just taking the oops-sorry money and keeping the car and getting the fix. We have a '14 Passat so it already has the AdBlue. Should be computer fixes and then some hardware down the road. If we sell the car back, we'll pay off the remainder of the loan but then have to get into a new car along with the increase in insurance and registration. We are looking hard at the Alltrack but the mileage just sucks after driving a TDI. Our Passat has about 42K on it. We still have the extended warranty plus whatever warranty covers the "fix". We like the car and it does everything we need it to do. Might just take the money, pay it off, and be done with it.

 

[Killer223]

no way would i get rid of a tdi, i'd love to find one to buy. they are getting hard to find for sure.

 

[Simplysmn]

They are all being shipped to the Mayhem Auction Yard in Ca. .At least the surrounding states to ca. From there they Sit until the fix comes out .VW has to fix them before reselling them .Or they Crush them. None can be sold before being fixed . as for the altrack Yes your right it's no TDI but does the Job pretty well .and Our Insurance went down from when we had the tdi not sure why but less is good .

 

[The patriot]

It would be worth it to take the "oops" money if you drive it until falls apart, you wont be selling it because most people don't/wont touch them after all the stink.
It's an EXCELLENT car, but unfortunately , it's tainted.
If I still had mine, I'd have probably kept it, take the $6K, let them "fix" it, then have Mark Malone, or someone like him tune it back to better than original.
With the extra $$$ remove the dpf, diesel blue etc etc and have it the way it will run 500K miles w/o problems.
jm.02