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WARNING Cast Iron NV4500 Rear Housing



If you have one of the cast iron rear housings for the NV4500, you have cause for concern. I don’t know if they are all machined off location, but the three I bought and the fourth that came on a rebuilt transmission were all the same distance off-center. On my transmission, it caused it to pump the oil from the transmission into the transfer case, burning up the gears in the transmission and pumping all of the metal chips through the transfer case.

The four covers I checked, were from . 028” to . 036” off location. This causes a severe bind in the rear transmission bearing and the front transfer case bearing. This translates to excessive heat, which causes failure of the seals in both the transfer case and the NV4500, pumping the oil from the NV4500 into the transfer case.

My transmission ran about 6,000 miles total before this happened. At the end of a 900 mile highway run, it generated enough heat to cause total seal failure. Because of my problem, we pulled the cover from a truck with 3,000 short trip miles on a freshly purchased rebuilt from a company that advertises here on TDR. The cover was found to have the same defects, but there was no apparent harm done other than the oil in both the transfer case and the transmission showing signs of extreme heating.

I repaired these housings by boring the alignment bore ¼” oversize and inserting a ring, then re-boring that to the correct diameter and location. I also had to re-bore the seal diameter. The seal diameter was machined to mate with the alignment bore and was basically off the same amount. I corrected this with a larger seal in a new hole bored correctly.

There is another issue with three ribs on the input seal holder of the transfer case, which prevents the transfer case from being completely pulled into position against the face of the cast iron adapter. The last ¼” of these three ribs contacts the flat area at the bottom of the bore and if not removed, they will be flattened (crushed) by tightening the six nuts that hold the transfer case in position.



This problem is not something you can see without setting the housing on a bare transmission case, finding the location of the rear bearing bore, then bolting the housing to the back of the case and indicating the transfer case alignment bore.



Please see the link at the end of this post so you can see an AVI movie of the way I check for the defect. If you have dial up, these files are very large and will take a long time to download. These movies clearly show the errors in the original machining of these units. You can see in the second movie, that in addition to having the bore done off location, there is severe taper to the bore. This makes the cast cover extremely difficult to mate to the transfer case.



It is likely that all of the NV4500 cast iron rear housings came from the same point of origin. Do yourself a favor and check your transmission if you are using the cast iron housing. If you have one installed, make sure you check the transfer case to ensure no leakage of gear oil into it. If this happens in the cold weather, you not only risk damage to your transmission, but also destroying the transfer case due to failure of the delicate oil pump…(which is not designed to pump anything but ATF. )







http://users.rcn.com/jvssyn/DSCF0167.avi



http://users.rcn.com/jvssyn/DSCF0168.avi



You can click on the links above to view the videos.
 
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Okay... ..... I ordered the housing when I got the latest transmission from ST. Do I take it off or just drain the transfer case to check? About 5000 miles. I had it in when I saw you in Muncie.



. . Preston. .
 
Preston

Pull the fill plug on your transfer case to see where the oil level is. If it is above full, then you have transmission oil going into it. You can also see if the color of the ATF has changed from overheating. For about 4500 miles of short trips mine showed no symptoms. However, on the 900 mile run it built up enough heat to cause the seals to fail and allow the oil to enter the transfer case. With the oil going into the transfer case you have no external leaks to warn of the lack of oil in the transmission until it is too late. This will not happen again to mine because I now have a "bleed hole" in the housing between the two seals--if any oil gets by either seal now it will leak externally and I will be aware of it before catastrophic failure.

John
 
Thanks John... ... ... I'm calling ST today. I have the US Gear Overdrive unit in mine. In between the transmission and transfer case. I'll check the transmission level.



. . Preston. .
 
Very interested in what ST has to say preston. Keep us informed. I got mine without really asking for it when I got my rebuilt unit from ST. I've heard of other people having problems with the ST transmission and i wonder if this was the cause. Although I did just get back from a 1200mile trip with a 15k+ trailer over mountains and no troubles... at least with the truck. I'll check mine asap.



Steve
 
I called Charlie today. He told me John is the only one to have any kinda trouble. I was told John called him and was to call back but never did. He said if I did not like what I had he would refund the cost and ship me the other housing. At one time I burned up 3 trannys in 10,000 miles from them and within 2 days I had another one. Charlie will stand behind his product. Also, they are no longer using the 12 point bolts Dodge uses. They use allen head bolts for more torque. As we know also, they will break a 12 point socket.

I checked my fluid and my tanny seemed to be over full. Weird. The overdrive unit had some but I changed it any way. Just a qt.



That's my report.



. . Preston. .
 
Hey Preston, I have the same set up as yours. I just purchased it and noticed the bolts are regular six point. Should I get the allen bolts and, what did you torque yours to? The trans was just rebuilt by ST as well and I notice a gear oil leak at the OD to trans area. Fluid is full in both units.
 
John - first of all... EXCELLENT find. I was thinking of getting one of those housings and am glad I didn't. I changed my mind and am saving my lunch money for an NV-5600.



So - when will the 'jig' be in production that will solve this issue? :)



Matt
 
Norgren..... I have the same leak. When I got mine the right three bolts were not all the way in. I just tightened all of them and made sure the gasket maker was there. Still I got the leak. If you want the other bolts, call Charlie and ask for them. I think John is right though. There is something wrong with the cast. I've got the other bolts comming . The torque value, I don't know what that is. Maybe in the manual.



. . Preston. .
 
Matt

I've already "repaired" these four housings and don't plan on doing any more. A real PITA and very time consuming. Maybe the reason the flange head bolts are not working well with these castings is the large amount of draft in the area of the bolt holes. One side of the flange makes contact and there is a 1/16" gap on the opposite side. As you torque the bolt it bends the head.



John
 
John: I was kidding. But I really wanted to commend you on figuring this out. Based on your track record with the KDP, etc. - I thought it wouldn't be long before you had a fix.



Matt
 
Glad I found this post!



So has anything been done to the current castings from Standard Transmission to prevent this from happening again?



I have been trying to find out if it is worth it to buy this housing, mainly for the fact that a cast iron housing is stronger than a aluminum one, but now that I read this, if the housings from ST are junk in the way of not lining up properly then I am gonna pass on it and stick with the aluminum one and take my chances.



Let me know if anyone has purchased one from ST recently, cuz I am tearing into my clutch replacement this weekend and I want to change out that housing if it is worth the trouble and money.



Thanks guys, Joe
 
Turbo Thom said:
From all I know as of now, no. All's the same and I still have the leak.



. . Preston. .

When did you buy yours, Preston?



I called up ST about a couple hours ago and talked to some lady named Michelle(whom I actually thought was a male from the voice, Whoops! :eek: :-laf ) and she had heard of the issue and said it has been fixed for sometime now and had actually sold about 30 of those cast pieces just this week. None have called with any issues, but I am kinda weary of this as, I think they are just trying to sell the product and those whom have recently purchased it haven't reached the problem yet since it isn't exactly and external leak that can be caught.

What do ya think? After hearing all that from ST, I think I am gonna just stick with the aluminum one, hasen't cracked yet, but probably will now that I said it(knock on wood).



Joe
 
I don't know if this really helps or means anything but I got a rebuilt transmission from them with the cast housing on it in September before seeing this post and haven't had issue with it yet. No fluid exchange and I pull trailers with it so you would think I would see something. I do plan on also putting in a "bleed hole" though cause I'd like to know something is wrong before its too late. Any suggestions on that by anyone? I don't want it too big of course so oil just starts dumping out if my seals fail but I don't know what size would be good and if there is a location that would be best to do it.



Thanks
 
From my experiences, I believe you would be happy with the cast iron tail housing.

And, if you ever see Michelle, let's just say you won't confuse her with a man Oo.
 
Steve Miller

On the housings I reworked, I drilled an 1/8" hole thru in the area just ahead of where the transfer case pilot fits. Looking at the housing from the back, it exits about 7 o'clock on the drivers side. I also spot faced and tapped a 1/16 npt in the end, in case I may want to plug it in the future. So far, all of these transmissions are working great - all the oils' staying where it belongs!!



CPFF
 
drives mopars said:
i have a 2000 year 4500 is that a problem year

What is being talked about is a Standard transmission aftermarket cast iron tailshaft extension housing to replace the factory aluminum part. The extension housing connects the transmission to the transfer case on 4x4 trucks.

If your trans is from a 2wd or still has a factory aluminum housing this does not apply to your trans.



Jared
 
Joseph Donnelly said:
From my experiences, I believe you would be happy with the cast iron tail housing.

And, if you ever see Michelle, let's just say you won't confuse her with a man Oo.



Well, shoot, I just can't decide on this whether to go with the cast housing or stick with the aluminum one. I definately need a new one cuz after tearing out the transmission for the SBC install this weekend, one of the mounting bolts for the adapter, where it attaches itself to the crossmember, had stripped out. I was thinking of drilling and tapping it for a insert with the same threads but I think that would weaken the housing even more.



So, Joe, you think I'll be problem free if I order this housing? Would you think it is wise to drill out a hole in the middle for a easy leak sighting? If Michelle says the problem is fixed and it should work no problem, what do you think?



Thanks, Joe
 
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