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I ran into a man that had just got pulled over by Texas DPS and issued a citation for not having the three clearance lights on his 5th wheel tailgate. He was getting his truck worked on by the same mechanic I use.



The officer said something about a Federal DOT.



Anyway he was issued a citation.
 
In the table on the following Federal DOT webpage, notice the requirements for Identification Lamp (rear) - there are your 3 marker lights on the tailgate. Most states follow the Federal DOT lead on lighting requirements.



Rusty
 
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Most of the 5th wheel tailgates (those that replace the factory Dodge tailgate) don't have the 3 marker lights that the duallies came with. My read is that was what the driver was cited for.



Rusty
 
Yes.



But the mechanic gave me a strip off of the new body style trucks and i mounted it right above the license plate, where it will be visible no matter which tailgate (if any) that I have.



Per the officer, the 3 lights dont have to be on the tailgate, just visible from the rear.



I can post a pic if needed.
 
When I used my truck as a hotshot Va. dot inspected my truck and told me I needed the 3 lites on the 5th wheel tailgate. It was no problem to remove from factory gate and install on 5th wheel gate.
 
I will take a pot shot at this one. In most case for a police officer to write such a ticket the driver must have done somthing else to get pulled over in the first place. The officer being nice gave him a ticket of lesser value and wished him a nice Christmas. Thats just my . 02 cents but hey I have been wrong many times.
 
You can remove the tailgate but you need to put the cleance lights ,the three red ones in the middle,back on the replacement gate,or somewhere under the gate where they can be seen.
 
Also the roof ones are required on the Duallys. Dodge released several 2006 duallys without the roof lights and DOT forced them to recall them!
 
If you have cab clearance lights you must ALSO have the gang-3 in the back. This IS true for both the SRW's and the DRW's. One of my local police guys told me that come the first of the year ALL police-local and state, will be making it their mission to make us all comply. I have the cab lights on my 1-ton SRW and added the gang-3 to my lighted headache rack when I installed it. There is no specifics in the DOT about having them mounted on the tailgate, rear bumper, or headache rack, only that they must be present. If you tow a trailer that is 8' wide and do not have the proper lighting required for your load width, meaning cab lights and gang-3 in the rear, you WILL be cited. If you have installed a lighted visor instead of cab lights, you do not meet the square in requirements of the lighting AND the lighting MUST be visible from the side of the vehicle. I asked him about the smoked lenses, his reply was that "there are lumen requirements" and "if the lumens are not there, bright enough, it would also be a violation". I went on to ask him if HE was equipped to measure the lumens, and his reply was NO, but, you'd get a fix-it ticket that would have to be cleared at a state police facility. So I guess the assumption IS that the state police have the equipment to test the brightness (somehow).



Come the first of the year there are a lot of the DOT things we 1-tons must comply with - fire extinguisher, first aid kit, fuel receipts/log book, emergency reflectors (both the triangles and round) and lighting. I have been reading the DOT stuff and there are a lot of new laws that come into effect over the next couple of years. They are rooted in the homeland security stuff, that is where you will find the timeframes for the implementation of the new laws. They will just 'appear' in the DOT when they are to be implemented, with no warning I might add. They are already law, homeland security stuff that was passed by Congress months ago.



So, it would be to your best advantage to consider getting a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, fuel receipts bood, emergency reflectors (both a set of triangles and round) and have your lighting in order. I also picked up a couple pairs of those HD plastic wheel chocks at WallyWorld and pitched them in the toolbox. The DOT does also discuss chocking a vehicle when broken down.



I picked up a Vehicle Expense Record Book, as I do this anyway, and instead of keeping it in the house it is now in the glove box. It is not a 'legal' log book, but would probably get you through a pull-over inspection. Our 1-tons will get us pulled over into these stops starting the first of the year. I got pulled over in one a couple months ago for a fuel check. They did ask about having a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, and the emergency reflectors. They also asked me about my fuel records, of which I did have several receipts with mileage notations, and that seemed to make them happy. They also commented about ALL my lighting being legal. Another thing they did was measure the height of my front bumper/headlights from the ground. I have heard of this measurement being taken on 'lifted' trucks AND also have heard about citations being issued because the bumper/headlights were higher than the legal limit. I have yet to find a reference regarding this in the laws, but it is probably there somewhere.



CD
 
CDonaldson said:
If you have cab clearance lights you must ALSO have the gang-3 in the back. This IS true for both the SRW's and the DRW's. <snip>



CD



Didn't Dodge (and other makes) offer cab lights as an option on the 2500/3500 SRW trucks. I know I see a LOT of them out there. Plus all of the ones that people added them to 1500's, etc. Does that mean all of those trucks are illegal, or just the ones used commercially??? :confused:



-Vic
 
Hey Vic.



Yes, Dodge does offer the cab lights as an option in the 2500/3500 SRW trucks. My truck came with them as standard, my dealer told me it was because it was a 1-ton. All the 3500's on their lot had them. I also noticed all the 3500's on other lots had them too. Since I was looking for a 3500 I did not pay attention to the 2500's.



The cab clearance lights go back a long time ago and were required on semi trucks because they pulled an 8' wide trailer and their width was also 8'. I cannot remember what the exact number is, but the law says that vehicles and trailers with over x# amount of inches wide have to have the cab clearance lights and the rear markers. It does not make any difference whether you are private or commercial use, it is about the width dimension of the vehicle and what it tows in width dimension and lighting reqs based on width dimension.



When that law was written, I do not think that too many privately owned, non-commercial vehicles were as wide, and I don't think that there were many trailers being pulled by privately owned, non-commercial vehicles. Then along came the RV and Dually explosion, more and more of the heavier big-block and diesel trucks hit the road, along with larger trailers, etc. All the trailers were lighted according to the DOT, but, the trucks were not. Some mfr's offered cab lights, some put them on, and before long we had quite the mix going down the road. Since the homeland security stuff, the gov has been more and more calling for vehicles to meet the DOT regarding lighting.



It really could mean that all those who added the cab lights MUST also add the gang-3 rear center markers regardless of their size and weight class, because of the lighting req's for both ends of the vehicle. As far as the DOT Laws, yes, they are illegal. As far as the homeland security laws, yes they are illegal. The law states that the cab lights and the gang-3 markers must both be there, have one-must have the other. If you just have the cab lights, you will soon be reminded about the others. I had a friend who put a set of the gang-3 rear markers on his truck, mounted them on a piece of angle just below his hitch. He thought the additional lighting in the back was a good safety feature. He got a ticket for not having the cab clearance lights. This was a couple months ago. His truck is a Ford F-250 2x with a 460 gas engine. He was stopped by a state trooper in TX for a minor moving violation, the trooper gave him a warning for the moving violation and ticketed him for the lights. He removed the gang-3, returned the lighting to stock, and paid his fine. Then a few days later he was pulling his flatbed gooseneck and got waived into one of those roadside checks. His flatbed IS 8' wide, and he got a ticket for not having the proper lighting for pulling 8' wide trailer. Now he has his gang-3 back on and installed the cab lights. All of this cost him some big bucks too. He is not commercial, has no signs on his truck that would indicate otherwise, all private use trailers, etc. The funny part about all of his stuff is that I have been telling him for some time that he needed to get his lighting in order and he kept telling me that he was not commercial and I was full of it. What was even better is that the state trooper told him he was lucky he was not driving a 4x4, then he would have also gotten a ticket for having more than 3 axles in combination because the 4x4 has 2 axles and the trailer has 2 axles. A general non-commercial drivers license is issued for 3 axles in combination and has a gross combined weight value. They did weigh his trailer and he just barely was under the gross combined weight or he would have gotten a ticket for that too. My friend was really flustered by all this stuff, and so will everyone else when it happens to them too.



Soon, all states will be like CA and have the additional drivers license endorsements for the way we use our trucks too. Towing trailers over a certain weight and length, etc. Again, this all will fall under some of the homeland security laws, and the DOT will add them over time. The objective is to make all states have the same laws, standardize this stuff across the board. The fed DOT can and will enforce these laws on any/all roads that they contribute funds to the construction and maintenance, and any roads that interconnect states.



The truck manufacturers have been served up all the compliance notices, we will begin to see all the vehicles getting the lighting in order out of the factories and off the sales lots, and recalls like Dodge did this past summer to get everyone straightened out. I'm expecting that any day Dodge will recall for the gang-3 req for the back of my truck since the cab lights came standard. Then, once everyone has the lighting in order they will move on getting the licenses right for both the vehicles by weight class and the drivers licenses by weight class of vehicles in combined usage, lots of variables from state to state on this one too. We are going to see a lot of changes as truck owners/users. I have a car-type plate on my truck issued here in NM, it has NO reference to weight class. It actually might become illegal to drive in other states that issue plates based on weight class regardless whether it is considered valid here in NM. It certainly becomes illegal when I hook a trailer in tow in many states already. There have been several guys here and on other sites that have been ticketed regaring the plate and it's weight class.



CD
 
One quick question. Why are the chassis cabs, medium dutys, and semi trucks exsempt from this law. Also why are they worried abought these lights when they cant be seen when there is a trailer there.

Now before anyone says anything I am currently in a friends shop. Right in front of me is a 2007 Pete 379 Classic Long Nose, next to it is a 2004 GMC 8500 Tandem, Behind me is a 2005 ford f 550 with a 12' aluminum flat bed, and non of these trucks have these lights on there back sides!!!!! :confused:

My friend also said he knows of a 05 ford dully pickup owned by an older gentlemen that dosent like to change his truck in any way, it also has no lights on the gate!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just curious :confused:
 
I hope I do not get stoped. My A. R. E. top has the walk-in door option. The tail gate is removed. This is a link to what my top looks likehttp://www.4are.com/product/mx/
 
My brother-in-law has a f350 furd and has reg plates on it. The weight is 6500lbs. for the plates. My Dodge weights 7300 with full tank of fuel and wife & I in truck. Legally in Va. he can't leave his drive way. Somehow he gets away with it. He saids the registration cards has the weight listed as 6490 lbs. for his truck. Now the part that really gets me-he pulls a 15000lb camper. I have truck tags on my Dodge at 18000lbs.

I bet if he weighted his truck he would find that it weights between7300-8000lbs.
 
There are some new lighting regs coming on-line now ...



You are not allowed to have extra lights on your vehicle in certain areas. One example is the cab lights. . Some guys out there have installed extras. They must come off. The same goes with the dot 3 lights in back. No extra lights. I wonder if that would mean the lights of fire is now illegal on CMVs.



Locally, in Cincinnati, They have been real pricks. Our trucks have been getting stopped 2-3 times a day. THey are measuring mudflaps and if you are off by an 8th inch, 103 dollars please. If your licence plate bulb is out, $103 please, ect... One of my trucks was cited for not having a plastic reflector at the rear side. (I installed a marker light there. The plastic reflector kept getting broke off) Cincinnati is in a budget crisis and is making the trucker pay for it. Big Time. Total from us is over 2,000 in 1. 5 months. :(
 
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