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I've got an interesting little story to share that some of you might enjoy.



I had a customer come in with a '03 cab and chassis hotshot rig.



He has 21,000 miles on it. One day his check engine light on the dash comes on. He's never had any problems whatsoever out of it. He takes it in to the dealer so they can check it out. They call him back at the end of the day and tell him the bill is going to be over $9000 yes, nine thousand dollars, and it's not covered under warrantee. They want to claim it against his insurance though since he has full coverage.



They said he had condensation in his fuel which caused all the problems. They have to replace basically every component that fuel touches. Fuel lines, injection lines, lift pump, high pressure pump, all 6 injectors, all sensors, everything. He decided to take the truck home since there were no noticeable problems.



This is when he brought the truck to me. I test drove it and it seemed fine. Very strong, both off-idle and topend. Surprisingly quick since it's so light.



He then took the truck in to a second dealer about 90 miles away where he actually bought the truck. The next day, they call him back and give him almost the exact story. The total bill is already over $7000 and counting. He's got condensation (which isn't covered under warrantee) in his fuel system and everything has to be replaced. Luckily though, he can claim it on his insurance policy. They went on to say that they've already done this (insurance claim) for 6 other customers. They also said, all of his sensors are rusted from the condensation.



What do you guys think?

No "water in fuel" light warning.

No loss of power.

Just a sudden check engine light and a $9000 claim against your insurance policy.



If this happens regularly, insurance companies are going to be VERY hesitant to write policies for Dodge Cummins equipped trucks or raise rates tremendously.



It's a pretty shocking story to me.



The owner took the truck from the dealer and it still driving it. Rusty sensors and all. :rolleyes:



Any input?
 
I seem to recall rusty parts and denied warranties when the duramax first came out. HMM. History repeats itself. I wonder if there is any way to protect our investments. The chevy owners might have a good solution as they have dealt with this fuel system for a few years.
 
Nephew's truck

HMMMM! Nephew got an 03 last winter. Truck QUIT on third tank of fuel. Frozen in the filter. Truck was filled at the dealer. My nephew has fuel at home as he owns a small fleet of grain hauling trucks. No problems in these trucks at all.

Makes you wonder if tanks were stored outdoors at some time prior to assembly? Then ,when it got cold enough, the ice formed. BTW factory warranty covered in this case . Jackson dodge , Celina OH.
 
Without looking it up exactly, the code most likely associated with contaminated fuel is "pump timing error. " If you pull a couple of lines, you will notice some white residue in the line, and from the pump (02 24v). It would not be any different with an 03. And no, contaminated fuel would not be covered.
 
Hmmmmm, just wondering

how the hell do you get your insurance company to pay for repairs on your truck in cases such as these???:confused:
 
hmm, sounds like the best bet for a first mod is a super big fine fuel filter/water separator... . save's trouble in the long run... :(
 
Condensation in the tank should have been caught in the filter. Unless the owner put some fuel conditioner in the tank that disperses water and sends it straight to the injectors with the fuel. Or the station owner put some water dispersing additives in his stock so it doesn't appear contaminated.

Besides diesel fuel, I don't put anything in my fuel that's not sold under Cummins' name. And I didn't buy a $37k truck so I could shop around for the cheapest fuel I can find and justify the 40 year old tanks underground and the oil slick surrounding the station by saying "it's a high volume station". The steel tank out in the yard is an invitation for condensation.

If it were a design flaw, it would be happening to all of us. I've drained water out of my fuel filter before so I'm fairly convinced it works. I see in the additive poll most of us use an additive. Why?
 
Seems to me like a decent fuel separator should take the water out of the fuel?AND if or since they aren't (or must not come w/one) the manufacture should correct the problem and or start installing a better system on the trucks. Moisture in Diesel can happen pretty easily.

I like the looks of the new trucks,but think I'll wait for a while & see what happens.

I know too that I've seen some ins policies exclude for water problems & that's where this could probably fall into?

Bob
 
Dodge and Cummins finally got around to putting a fuel water separator on the Dodge Cummins trucks in 1989. It works well as I've drained water from my '95, '98 and '01. 5. Never more than a teaspoon. If a well meaning owner puts an additive in the fuel that emulsifies the water in it, the water fuel separator is useless.

The last Dodge Cummins truck I recall having water damage was a '98. 5 24v. The fuel pump was replaced under warranty. The same truck had water damage again. Warranty was denied. It may come as a surprise but, Chrysler isn't putting contaminated fuel in our trucks. That's left to our discretion.
 
Originally posted by Prairie Dog

It's weird that one dealer would have seen 6 of these and it's never been mentioned here before. :confused:



Hmm, 6 x $9000 is $54,000.



Eggzacktly. Smells very scammy. DC gets to do $9000 worth of work and the customer passes the buck to the insurance company. The second edge of this sword is, as already mentioned, the insurance companies will NAIL us collectively. They're NOT going to lose money.



That's a whole lot of moisture to ruin everything. You'd think that you'd have to fill the system with water and then let is sit for a few months for that kind of damage to occur. But then, what damage? Sucker still runs and runs good.



How many CTD trucks has Dodge sold? And now, all of the sudden, condensation is a $9000 -insurance company- repair?



Geez, how many of us have pumped horribly contaminated fuel or even gas into the system and not run up repair bills like that?



And WTF happened to the WIF sensor?



Something is rotten somewhere!:rolleyes: :mad:
 
I think SCAM is probably the best description. I'd be curious if there are other dealers encountering these oddball "moisture in fuel, replace everything" problems. It sort of sounds a bit like the "I don't know WTF is wrong, replace everything" kind of problem. (except with the insurance company getting stuck with the bill)



Get some guages to monitor critical systems and a piece of electrical tape for over that idiot light.



(I could do that for say $5000/ truck saving them almost 50% :D )
 
Originally posted by Steve M

Condensation in the tank should have been caught in the filter. Unless the owner put some fuel conditioner in the tank that disperses water and sends it straight to the injectors with the fuel. I see in the additive poll most of us use an additive. Why?



If the conditioner is used it would make the water inert and pass though not rusting or harming anything. If this was not true then the manufactures of the conditioners would be liable for the damage and it would happen with all diesel trucks. Since they have been making these conditioners for many years it would be common knowledge not to use fuel conditioners. Cummins does not say "not" to use conditioners, they say that they don't recommend conditioners. If they did not say this they would be on the hook for any problems. It's not the conditioners. It looks like it is a problem with the new fuel injection systems. This has not been a major problem with the P7100 or the VP-44. The attached site shows what Chevron puts into their diesel fuel from an additive standpoint. If they are adding these additives it is not logical that an owner adding Amsoil or Rotella DFA would cause a problem, just the opposite they would be further protecting their injection system. http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_7_fs.htm
 
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First off the insurance company wont pay anything without a inspection. On a claim that large it will be a competent inspector. The insurance company will cross/dot and check all its p's and q's before allowing a claim. then they will decide if its covered by them or not. Someone needs to explain more of the situation etc. Are they taking about fuel contamination or external flood damage?Theres more questions and answers awaiting. I handled 6 contaminated brake systems with bills of 4k or so in a 10 month period. Autos were under warranty but only had oil changes at certain Quick lubes. Insurance inspectors were well versed in what they saw etc. Interesting thing was out of 5 service writers I caught ALL of these repairs by phone or they just drove in with ABS and BRAKE lights on. The other guys all said WHAT THE HECK/How did you DO THAT>One after another!I dunno?Had to replaces all rubber lines/abs booster/master cyls. calipers etc. All swollen by motor OIL or Trans FLIUDS>All ended up being paid for by GARAGE Liability INSURANCE.
 
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