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I just recieved a nasty virus that was sent via email from a very prominent individual whom most of you know. There is no subject to the email other than "Re:" and the message is blank.



There are two files attached to this email. "info. DOC. scr" and "ATT00012. txt"



AVG 6. 0 virus scan has been flashing I-Worm detected screens all over the place, so I might be infected, as of now. I will continue to run the virus scanner with hopes of removing the worm.



If you get any emails with this description, update your virus program and check your machine.



Let us know if you have seen this virus that was born on November 24, 2001, according to http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/badtrs_b.shtml



Doc
 
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I routinely get emails from individuals who appear to be TDR members that have viruses attached.



One of things I must mention... there are now some new ones that do not require opening to infect you. I got one the other day, but it appeared to have come from a download from Tucows!



It infected a lot of files, which had to be deleted, and it disabled a lot of programs on my machine. I think, after several days, I've gotten them all repaired, some requiring reinstall...
 
DOC!



I have AVG 6. 0 and I have a dumb question. How do you know it is running and protecting? I have been running it by clicking on the desk top but they say to have it run with start up. I guess I am indian. HOW? Thanks.
 
Happy Camper, If you don't have the AVG icon displayed on your "System Tray", which is on the right side of the "Taskbar" in the right bottom of the screen, after you start Windows, you must not have something set up right in AVG.



The only way I can see that AVG sets up to run automatically is in the AVG Control Center under the Resident Shield tab. Make sure that the "Disable Resident Shield" is not checked.



Let me know if this suggestion doesn't help. There might be another way to set it up, but I can't see where yet.



Doc
 
The culprit has updated and cleaned the worm from his computer. You shouldn't get anything like that from him again.



Now that I work in the computer field, I am beginning to see a lot more of this kind of stuff. This is the third time in 14 years of computer use that I have personally encountered a virus. The first two times my system was infected. This time AVG caught it before infection.



Doc
 
Me too

I received one on a HotMail account that appeared to come from Carls address which I deleted without opening. I have noticed in others that I have received, they have no subject line, they are always the same file size (39Kb), and the senders address always starts with an _underscore. Carl's correct e-mail address doesn't start with an underscore does it? I had been on a mailing list of Carls a while back.
 
Doc! Thanks! The icon is showing in the lower right hand side of the task bar so I should be ok.



I can not understand people being so destructive. Their nature I guess.
 
I got an email back in November from someone named Randall Jeffries and it had the Bad Trans attached. I had already updated my AVG defs and so I let it identify the virus. The virus was Bad Trans-YOU ARE FAT!!.



I already know that I'm a little over weight so I put him on the "Block Sender" list and replied by sending his virus back to him 10 times.
 
Some of my thoughts on virii

Q. Who makes them?
A. "Testosterone plagued script kiddies" Twenty years ago they'd be working on the cheby (junker) in the backyard. Today the Internet is the new back yard - and your pc is a piece of the transmission.

Q. How easy is it to write a virus or worm?
A. Ten years ago, virii were created to be resident at a much lower level on your system - usually within the bios and were created not by these kids, but by computer engineers and scientists fluent in assembler and microcode programming ( a lost art today). Today virii typically take the form of worms or macros created in a much higher language - visual basic, c++, or c. They typically interact with the applications that you use - not the operating system kernel or bios. There are 54 virus creation toolkits available at http://vx.netlux.org/. Anyone can download these and use them - and many require a minimal amount of programming knowledge.

Q. Where did the first Macro virus come from?
A. Microsoft. The first worm - known as Concept was shipped by MS on thousands of CDs to members of the Microsoft developer network - and was contained within a word document.

Q. I have anti-virus software. Am I safe?
A good starting point for home users is http://www.stormranger.net . Investigate the use of a personal firewall - Black Ice - as I recall is a good one for Windows users ( I am not one - use OpenBSD) - so there may be others. Recent attacks and remote compromise of your computer are focused on exploiting lower level holes in the operating system (Windows XP in this case) and the means in which they interact with the network. Simply put - some folks at Microsoft made a mistake when writing a small piece of the Plug and Play code. Keep your operating system updated on at least a weekly basis. I believe that http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com will do this easily for you.

The crux of this whole badguy (virus writer, exploit writer) / goodguy (antivirus software, firewall, intrusion detection companies and individuals) situation is that today protecting oneself is based upon something known. Anti virus software must know with a priori knowledge that a certain virus exists. Hopefully soon that will change. Certain individuals ( myself included) and companies are deep in research looking at the otherside, namely the unknown by examining end user and system anomolies. Microsoft outlook should never write to certain portions of the filesystem during normal use, or Doc would never send 300 emails within the span of 10 seconds, or that . scr file ( a screen saver) would never interact with any part of the Windows subsystem except except the user's display. Products today that do this are raw to say the least, but should be arriving within a year or two. I started down this track four years ago, when writing information warfare attack and protection mechanisms for DARPA and the DoD - and it has taken this long for commercially viable implementations to begin to emerge.

But for today:
1. Use Anti-Virus
2. Use a personal firewall
3. Keep your system and applications updated and patched. Windowsupdate. microsoft.com

But most importantly, use common sense, which we all obviously have, since were not discussing powerstrokes.

Andrew
Chief Technology Officer / Chief Scientist of an Information Security firm

BTW I am actuallgygoing to write some new virii today for work for testing some new software.
 
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Script Kiddies are not the only Virus writters. Remember about this time last year when the colloge student was working on a virus for a school project and it got out into public by mistake? It made quite a mess.



I have assembled a few myself to study and see what they do and try to evade anti-virus software. Some actually do!

I would say the overwhelming majority of viruses are written to work against Microsoft browsers and operating systems. Microsoft is hated by many in the real world of computing and the younger rebelious types. Microsoft has gained fame for its lack of security and the holes it has in many of its software packages.

The old NT systems were so full of security holes its not funny.

You will not a an NT server running a financial institution or very many high security data bases.

The stabs are taken at Microsoft because it is a giant and some of the younger guys want to harm the beast, so to speak.

Rage against the machine.



Its is sad to see that MIcrosoft has the knowledge of macros and they way they work and the majority are written for Microsoft products.



Don~
 
> Script Kiddies are not the only Virus writters.
Don - I stand corrected. I should have qualified that as " a good majority of". Even the word virus can be seen as off. The proliferation of both simple drag and drop toolkits along with high level easy to learn languages is a major contributing factor to the recent events.

Raging against the machine - Simply put, MS has put usability and product deadlines above security. It's more economically sound to release today and fix tomorrow - and as you said, few large scale financials are running that NT system accessible from the Internet

Andrew
 
Hey guys. . Is it possible that the antivirus programers are also Script Kiddies pushing the demand for antivirus programs?



Doc
 
I was wondering how long it would take before someone asked that question.

I will say that there is no evidence of anti virus companies writting virus's to drum up biz. Lets hope it never comes to that.



Although some of the spyware that is out there is not classified as a virus, I almost think that some are.





Don~
 
I got sent the goner. scr virus package by a know email contact and friend. I had no idea it was a virus and tried to execute the attached file. It failed. Now get this, the reason it failed was because I had completely stripped my McAfee VirusScan S/W a couple days earlier. Goner needs an anti-virus s/w to launch.





Don;

You write spyware. Is this the same league as scumware?





Agray;

You bring back memories. I worked on DARPA projects 1 & 3 over 16 years ago. What number are they at today?



-John
 
JohnE,



No, I do not write or never have written spyware. I do not agree with the spyware programs that are out there. Most poeple dont even know they have them. Too many little bots collecting info on us every time we turn around. I am not happy with anti-virus programs not detecting and removing bots and spyware from systems. I wish they would.



Not sure what you mean by scumware. Sounds like you got the wrong idea.



I can write some decent programs in good, old, and pure assembly and fortran. With the exception of a few programs I have written for the fire protection business to assist the modeling of compartment smoke movement, detector actuation prediction (quasi-steady and time squared) and one for prediction of gas temperature in the presence of a smoke layer, I have written very little in the way of virii. Oh, I did come up with a little program to give the lumens per square foot from a given candela strobe appliance.



Don~
 
Doc - All I can say, is that some of the best AVers (anti-virus writers) are the most competent VXers (virus wriiters). The majority of VXers are writing them for study - not public infection. Norton, McAfee, et. al. can easily make the argument that: If I can write them, someone else can. So it's best for me to write it first so that we are prepared. Most people writing these are writing them for the sake of the study of the behaviour, interaction methods, and their final effects on the state of the system with the end goal of uncovering a "pattern". You make the call.


John - as with all things governmental, numbering the projects has become more convoluted. such as BAA02-07 ( a current one ) or PXY-625. Most of the ones to which I submit a proposal, and hopefully get a grant, come out of the Advanced Technology Office under "umbrella" requests for proposals. One change that I have noticed is that the gov't is looking to the private sector as much for the ideas than as for the actual implementations. In other words, think of something cool, that might be useful, and propose it. The number that actually make it mainstream is ridiculously low - somewhere around 10%. The way I put it - "If you've seen it on Star Trek - someone's working on it".

Happy 2002 to all,
Andrew
 
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