water as fuel

[ROCKJEEP]

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&type=file&func=get&tid=4&fid=file&pid=15

 

[Matt400]

Hrmm, that was interesting. . hardly seems possible.

I vote to move this thread here



For those with a slow connection a news article can be found here:

http://tampatrib.com/Business/MGBKD7YQIGE.html

 

[betterthanstock]

Smart man! He may have just discovered a catalyst that allows him to break down water into gas with less electricity than previously thought possible. That's the key.

Electrolysis wastes too much energy.

If his way makes economic sense, hydrogen power is just around the corner.

And I'm sure other copycat processes will appear.

 

[brods]

ROFL. Want to buy some ocean front property in Kansas? This clown has been all over the news and so far not one drop of scientific evidence to back up his claims. An easy total energy in to energy out would clear this up, but alas nothing but hype (and dubious claims). BS meter is pegged on this guy!

 

[klenger]

I heard on the news that he was waiting for some kind of response from the feds about emissions or something like that before he proceeds any further. I agree, it sounds like BS. If someone could actually do this, you would: (1) not wait for feedback from the feds to proceed with research, and (2) keep you mouth shut.

 

[Cummins Thunder]

I also call BS!!! If this was the least bit true he would have never have made it on the news... The big oil companies would have either put a contract on him, or bought him out



CJ

 

[betterthanstock]

Water will burn in a magnesium fire. (at 4000 deg F)

If that's what he's doing, it's too expensive to use as an energy source.

But since he made the engine run on it, I think it's just electrolysis. Without some catalyst, it uses more energy to produce it than it will give back to you when you burn it.



But that's exactly what Bush and others are throwing money at, hydrogen cars. It will never be economical without nuclear power plants producing the hydrogen, or some breakthrough catalyst during electrolysis.

 

[JOblenes]

I think it's just electrolysis. Without some catalyst, it uses more energy to produce it than it will give back to you when you burn it.



But that's exactly what Bush and others are throwing money at, hydrogen cars. It will never be economical without nuclear power plants producing the hydrogen, or some breakthrough catalyst during electrolysis.

I think the same thing you think, it is just electrolysis. I looked further into this and there may be some merit to his claims. In his first application it is clear he is just using electrolysis to get hydrogen and oxygen that he then recombines in a torch head used to cut metal, simple enough really, no need to have oxy/acetal tanks sitting around. However, if folks can get by the news medias misuse of the word "fuel" and misrepresentation of the technology there might be a little something there, I am not saying there is, but just maybe worth a second look to understand. If you go to his website he is not claiming that the vehicle will run purely on water. What he is saying is that his process does take energy to convert the water which you then introduce into a normal internal combustion process and has the effect of increasing the efficiency of the pre-existing gasoline combustion and resulting in a net gain, i. e. it is not so much that the burning of hydrogen on its own produces a benefit, but that it improves the efficiency of the existing gasoline combustion above and beyond the penalty of the electrolysis. Any thoughts, is this possible, anyone? Here is a quote from the website http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm

The Hybrid Hydrogen Oxygen System ("HHOS") can generate sufficient Aquygen™ Gas to enrich a vehicle's traditional fuel supply (gasoline or diesel) so that a net power increase in engine horsepower ("HP") occurs. In the prototype vehicle, it has been estimated that the heavy-duty alternator requires approximately 4 HP of the stock engine's base power load. It has been estimated that the increased energy release of the combustion process utilizing the Aquygen™ Gas enrichment resulted in a net 17 HP gain.

 

[DRAG DIESEL]

Someone want to explain to me, why on earth we would want to use the root of all existence (water) for a fuel... what happens when we use up all the water?



Everyone wants a car to run on water, but in reality, the world cannot afford that... water is too easy to get a hold of.



What's wrong with Soy Power or Corn Oils? They grow back.

 

[brods]

I think the same thing you think, it is just electrolysis. I looked further into this and there may be some merit to his claims. In his first application it is clear he is just using electrolysis to get hydrogen and oxygen that he then recombines in a torch head used to cut metal, simple enough really, no need to have oxy/acetal tanks sitting around. However, if folks can get by the news medias misuse of the word "fuel" and misrepresentation of the technology there might be a little something there, I am not saying there is, but just maybe worth a second look to understand. If you go to his website he is not claiming that the vehicle will run purely on water. What he is saying is that his process does take energy to convert the water which you then introduce into a normal internal combustion process and has the effect of increasing the efficiency of the pre-existing gasoline combustion and resulting in a net gain, i. e. it is not so much that the burning of hydrogen on its own produces a benefit, but that it improves the efficiency of the existing gasoline combustion above and beyond the penalty of the electrolysis. Any thoughts, is this possible, anyone? Here is a quote from the website http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm

Using hydrogen as an “enrichment” or to supplement to regular fossil fuel vehicles has been around for quite some time. IIRC the major advantage in the past was that hydrogen ignites at a very low concentration, which with older less advanced ignition systems meant reduced misfires. Less misfires means less wasted fuel and better fuel economy.



As for his tests, they prove very little and don’t appear to be very scientific. Results will also depend upon the sophistication of the vehicle’s fuel management system and its inherent inefficiencies. Two short tests without complete data to back them up just makes this guy seem more slippery.



Time will tell... . the only part of all his grandiose claims that matters is if he can indeed produce hydrogen more efficiently than anyone else. My money is on institutions like MIT. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/11/hydrogenenhance.html

 

[klenger]

Someone want to explain to me, why on earth we would want to use the root of all existence (water) for a fuel... what happens when we use up all the water?

The (only) byproduct of buring hydrogen and oxygen is 2 parts hydrogen and one part water, which is know as dihydrogen-monoxide. This very harmful chemical is know to cause deaths in many people in many different ways.



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[BigEasy]

The (only) byproduct of buring hydrogen and oxygen is 2 parts hydrogen and one part water, which is know as dihydrogen-monoxide. This very harmful chemical is know to cause deaths in many people in many different ways.



Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)

What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Dihydrogen Monoxide:

The dangers, uses and potential threats posed by this chemical, Dihydrogen Monoxide, are widespread, and some feel, terrifying. Here is just a small taste of what Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is:

Some call Dihydrogen Monoxide the "Invisible Killer"

Others think dihydrogen monoxide should be Banned

Dihydrogen Monoxide is linked to gun violence

Dihydrogen monoxide was found at every recent school shooting

Athletes use DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE, or DHMO, to enhance performance

Dihydrogen Monoxide has been found in our rivers, lakes, oceans and streams

Dihydrogen Monoxide is a major component of acid rain

Thousands die each year after inhaling dihydrogen monoxide

Dihydrogen Monoxide can be deadly

Find out the truth about Dihydrogen Monoxide

Visit http://www.DHMO.org to find out more



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I don't care who you are, that's funny, right there!

 

[betterthanstock]

March 15 2004

FOX NEWS QUOTE:



It looks like city officials in Aliso Viejo, Calif. , need to brush up on their chemistry after they considered banning foam cups because they were produced with dihydrogen monoxide.



Far from being the toxic chemical they believed it was, dihydrogen monoxide is the benign, common substance known as H2O -- the scientific name for water.



The gaffe occurred when an Aliso Viejo paralegal believed an Internet hoax site describing dihydrogen monoxide as "an odorless, tasteless chemical" that is lethal if ingested.



"It's embarrassing," said City Manager David J. Norman. "We had a paralegal who did bad research. "