Water-In-Fuel Warning

[Cummins12V98]

If you disconnect the connector and use the Lisle wrench I don't see any reason the wires should fatigue. Now if you spin the sensor out of the filter without disconnecting I can see the issue.

 

[Cummins2014]

If you disconnect the connector and use the Lisle wrench I don't see any reason the wires should fatigue. Now if you spin the sensor out of the filter without disconnecting I can see the issue.

I can't see anyone trying to get that sensor off before disconnecting , it was just wrap those wires right up around it. I use the Lisle wrench, and I disconnect the wiring before anything, it obvious its a bad design, and vulnerable. I have been careful with the wiring. It has no visible separation as said. I agree they shouldn't fatigue if careful, but its still not a very good design. Should be a lot more heavy duty considering it gets removed fairly often , with me it only once a year, but thats 5 times now.

 

[Cummins2014]

You OBVIOUSLY totally overlooked the pictures and the link in post #18 I presume?????

It’s only a matter of time before the wires crap out on his....

I'm sure they will crap out, but not a bad idea to do that to start before any separation ,might slow it down some, and get a few more years or changes out of it . I'm not going to mess with it, its getting replaced.

 

[LandShark]

You OBVIOUSLY totally overlooked the pictures and the link in post #18 I presume?????

It’s only a matter of time before the wires crap out on his....

I did see the picture and it's exactly what my WIF looked like. Insulation pulled down a bit, but wire still good. Applied a couple of coats of liquid electric tape and it lasted more than 15 more years. OBVIOUSLY, if the wires are broken this will not work. Just suggesting an alternative fix for those that may want to save a few bucks.

 

[gsbrockman]

If you disconnect the connector and use the Lisle wrench I don't see any reason the wires should fatigue. Now if you spin the sensor out of the filter without disconnecting I can see the issue.

Mine fatigued and ultimately went south before 207,000 miles......so about 14 fuel filter changes.

 

[Cummins2014]

Wiring has changed. It is much more robust where the wires enter the sensor assembly.....

It appears the wires are the same coming out of blue loom, then has they enter the sensor they have some sort of extra insulation on them .

I did see the picture and it's exactly what my WIF looked like. Insulation pulled down a bit, but wire still good. Applied a couple of coats of liquid electric tape and it lasted more than 15 more years. OBVIOUSLY, if the wires are broken this will not work. Just suggesting an alternative fix for those that may want to save a few bucks.

Mine are far from broken, and the insulation has not pulled down yet, having second thoughts about replacing until I get home. I will do what you have done for now, and just see how it goes . There is always the replacement route later. Did you just spray on that liquid electric tape while its was in place ? Thats the whole issue being where I am at not wanting to mess much with removing it. Can't see why I can't just shoot a little on it up where its at . Thanks

 

[LandShark]

It appears the wires are the same coming out of blue loom, then has they enter the sensor they have some sort of extra insulation on them .


Mine are far from broken, and the insulation has not pulled down yet, having second thoughts about replacing until I get home. I will do what you have done for now, and just see how it goes . There is always the replacement route later. Did you just spray on that liquid electric tape while its was in place ? Thats the whole issue being where I am at not wanting to mess much with removing it. Can't see why I can't just shoot a little on it up where its at . Thanks

Just clean up the area with alcohol or lacquer thinner or even windex. The liquid tape I use comes in a small bottle with a applicator brush - a very heavy liquid. It's like a liquid plastic. Comes in black, red, white and maybe more. Walmart will have it.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Mine fatigued and ultimately went south before 207,000 miles......so about 14 fuel filter changes.

Yea but yer kinda egressive.

 

[Cummins2014]

Just clean up the area with alcohol or lacquer thinner or even windex. The liquid tape I use comes in a small bottle with a applicator brush - a very heavy liquid. It's like a liquid plastic. Comes in black, red, white and maybe more. Walmart will have it.

Thanks, after looking , I saw that it was applied with a applicator brush.

Had to go get groceries in Ennis ,Mt. , its about 40 miles from the RV park here. Dry roads all the way in no WIF warnings . Started hailing in Ennis . Nearly all the way back another rain storm from he!!, mixed with hail ,and then turning to snow, them back to rain. Got four of the warnings soon after leaving Ennis, all of them shutoff , last 10 miles just a light rain, no more warnings.

We are not done with this weather here, got some of that liquid tape coming from Amazon. Thanks again for the tip .

 

[gsbrockman]

For a Few Dollars More.....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B017DPBZ3A/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

[Cummins2014]

For a Few Dollars More.....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B017DPBZ3A/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

I saw that on Amazon when looking for one, and had no problem with that other then is it the upgraded one, no picture to even look at for that reinforced wiring, or is the upgraded all that is available now. I don't want what I got now. Is Amazon where you bought yours ????

 

[jhenderson]

Genos has them for the same money and you can actually speak to a knowledgeable individual there.

 

[gsbrockman]

I saw that on Amazon when looking for one, and had no problem with that other then is it the upgraded one, no picture to even look at for that reinforced wiring, or is the upgraded all that is available now. I don't want what I got now. Is Amazon where you bought yours ????

Well.......I really don’t believe FCA would continue to manufacture / sell any of the older, faulty ones.

Trust me.....only the upgraded versions are what’s available. I actually bought mine from my selling dealership. I only threw the link out there as it was an Amazon based link.
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[Cummins2014]

Well.......I really don’t believe FCA would continue to manufacture / sell any of the older, faulty ones.

Trust me.....only the upgraded versions are what’s available. I actually bought mine from my selling dealership. I only threw the link out there as it was an Amazon based link.
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Thanks. I would think its the upgraded. Have had good luck with the Amazon products for the truck .

 

[jhenderson]

Well.......I really don’t believe FCA would continue to manufacture / sell any of the older, faulty ones.

Trust me.....only the upgraded versions are what’s available. I actually bought mine from my selling dealership. I only threw the link out there as it was an Amazon based link.
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FCA continue to produce or sell a faulty sensor? Not likely. Dealer clean old / superseded stock from the shelf? Could be.

 

[gsbrockman]

FCA continue to produce or sell a faulty sensor? Not likely. Dealer clean old / superseded stock from the shelf? Could be.

I guess anything is possible.....but most dealers I checked with did not stock the rear WIF sensor when I bought mine, IIRC.

 

[Cummins2014]

I guess anything is possible.....but most dealers I checked with did not stock the rear WIF sensor when I bought mine, IIRC.

I checked with a dealer in Bozeman, MT. they carry them.

 

[Wiredawg]

I've slept since I changed the fuel filters on my 2017 Ram 5500 , but I think I remember seeing the older fra-gee-lay one. At the time I remember thinking of putting some RTV to reinforce it at the base, then reinforcing the wiring itself with some small plastic loom with a few tie wraps.

When I did the filter change, had some leftover 1/2 inch fuel hose from upsizing the plumbing on my gravity feed auxiliary fuel tank that I hose clamped to the front fuel filter drain valve and folded the hose up into a cavity WITHOUT a tie wrap. Dum bass me. So driving it, the hose unravels and dragging the ground. I had my surgery and been mostly housebound, but after everyone, especially my Ford and Chevy driving friends asking me what's BROKE loose under my truck? Well, I mounted my trusty Kneerover, rode out to the shop, got a utility knife, shimmied under the truck, and carefully, without cutting my finger off, sawed that tough hose off just at the bottom of axle, then, tie wrapped it up, as I ought to have done to begin with.

So, us type As are driven... I have two of each fuel filters, bought another rear WIF sensor (have to look to see if it's the old or new one), 12 non-Statapore oil filters ( I know, let's don't go there, thought they were) and 4 air filters, all from Geno's. plus some accessories. Geno's had free shipping in Dec for us folks who submitted TDR calendar photos, so I went broke saving money.

Nothing like being prepared, right?

Can you tell I'm bored to tears being laid up 8 weeks, with 4 more to go. This keeps me from insanity, or does it?

Cheers, Ron

 

[gsbrockman]

I just remembered that I had a couple of pictures of my rear separator when I was trying out the band clamp and the strap wrench.

One can see the improvement in the area where the wires enter the sensor.

 

[Wiredawg]

Yep, when I saw it, I wondered how it kept from breaking the conductors just from the wind blowing under the truck AND debris. Can you imagine running over an "alligator" and having it shwack it? BTW, for those who don't know trucker lingo, a blown truck tire carcass on the highway is called an alligator. Now in Gulf Coast states, it could actually be an alligator.

Cheers, Ron