Water Injection

[Jim Fulmer]

Just to show you what happens when you have more fuel going on today I did 517 Valet, 624 Valet + Water/Meth, 674 Full Fuel, 706 Full Fuel +Water/Meth... . more fuel and less air on top with my little Twins.



I'll have to look back at the TQ numbers for each but the max runs was just shy of 1400 in the T/Q.



Jim

 

[Gonzo 1066]

Good job Jim

Nice numbers Jim. Good to hear that your system is working as well as mine. Hope this breaks some ice on the way meth and water work in a Diesel. Wish I would have been home for the Piers event you could have stoped by on your way through. Bob

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Good to hear from you to Bob, I'm very pleased with the setup now and will keep the same flow amount as everyone else that we are setting up, seems as though it's catching on up there too, I dropped more than one jaw at Piers's show with my runs, I wanted to tell folks I could get 100 hp out of it in valet but then I would have sounded like a new vendor, it's easier just to show them.



Jim

 

[Sticks]

I know there is at least two of us here in Denver that are seriously looking into this setup of yours Jim. Jeff I think wants it for the additional power, I want it for EGT while towing/driving in high altitude, and steep accents.



Are you getting a nice smooth power curve with the injection on, or does it do a firm jump once the system kicks in?



How's the street-ability of this system?



We really want to hear more first hand from a CTD user.

 

[jrandol]

Oo. Oo. Oo. Me Likey!! Oo. Oo. Oo.



Ok, I'll go drink my coffee now so I aint so wierd. But yes please do keep us informed. I am sold on it, I want more info on how it runs thru the truck and if there are any problems with corrosion, etc. I will be adding this soon I hope!



Jeff

 

[Sticks]

For a visual, there are the two of us (Jeff and I) standing slightly hunched over, drooling, and a little bug eyed, rubbing our hands together - like Igor.



WE WANT, WE'RE SOLD, WE WANT MORE FIRST HAND INFO!

 

[Turbo_Bob]

Think of a water injection setup as a liquid intercooler. As the compressed air comes out of the Dodge intercooler and as it gets into the cast aluminum intake pipe you add the water injection spray fitting to cool the incoming air even more. I will do this to my truck sometime down the road. But I will research this more about diesel appalcations. I do have experence with the Aquamist water injection system on my turbo, EFI, VW bug. I went from 7 to 9 pounds with pump gas. The system has a adjustable pressure switch from 3 to 30 pounds to active the 125 PSI pump. I run 2/3 distilled water and 1/3 methonal in the tank. Go to this web site they have a very detailed info about this.

www.aquamist.co.uk/

 

[jrandol]

Originally posted by sticks

For a visual, there are the two of us (Jeff and I) standing slightly hunched over, drooling, and a little bug eyed, rubbing our hands together - like Igor.



WE WANT, WE'RE SOLD, WE WANT MORE FIRST HAND INFO!

The Precious, the precious. Got to have the precious. Oo. Oo.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I like the auqamist system except it doesn't flow enough liquid for out big motors, little motors like your it does fine, but the snow system has allot of adjustability to it as it had 5 different nozzle sizes then you can tandem them up.



Still to this day I have no I'll effects to to report, streetability is fine as I rarely use it, if I'm going to make a blast then I turn it on via activation switch inside the cab, right along with my aux fuel system. When I'm done I turn them both off, Remember that I'm at 500 HP in Valet and EGT's there are fine and I don't usually do full fuel run on the open road... ... . way too smoky!



Jim

 

[Turbo_Bob]

Originally posted by Jim Fulmer

I like the auqamist system except it doesn't flow enough liquid for out big motors, little motors like your it does fine,

Jim

Jim on there web site they show a race team using a 11 liter turbo diesel engine at 4. 6 BAR M/P absolute.



The Aquamist water jet comes in 0. 4 to 1. 0 mm in sizes. At 1. 0mm that is 335 ml per minute of water.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I'll look at there site at that info!



Aquamist flows a coke can in a min (335ml)



Snow's flows 1/2 gal a min with 2 nozzles and the pump would support twice that if needed, I run (2) nozzles just like most of the other folks and it does the trick, if you don't have enough water it will not do the cooling job needed..... I've proven that time and time again, I only endorse something after I test it..... heck I don't even sell the system. My suggestion would be if anyone likes the aquamist system better to buy it instead!



Jim

 

[Sticks]

Jim,



I for one think you have done an excellent job of doing an objective evaluation and testing of this product. I have read and re-read the threads that you have talked about this in. You hinting at a benefit for towing is what hooked me. You have done the high HP testing, I am shooting for the low HP/high altitude benefits (if any). I want to see if this would be good or even feasible for the average bomber.



Snow Performance is based in Colorado, and I am pretty sure that Mark (?) has agreed to show up to a RMTDR event to give a demo.

 

[MDW]

Water/Meth injection

I have installed Snow Performance water injection system.

Its a great system that when you use a 50/50 mix of meth and water its gives a big hit of HP.

I will be going to the track later today and am planing to make runs with it on and off to see what the difference is in a practical application.

The only thing that I can think of that I would have like to do differently is to have Matt at Snow Perf. send me all 90degree fittings as apposed to 2 90's and 2 straight, but that is for my install application.

I got the chance to see Jim Fulmer's install and I would like to install the jets like he did. Maybe we can get him to post a pic??

 

[Turbo_Bob]

The way the Aquamist system works is very high pressure and very fine spray mist, like a NOS system. I dont no anything about the Snow system but I'll check it out. What is there web site?

 

[JerryWallace]

The Aquamist system is a excellent product. the problem is it is not capable of giving enough pressure or volume to support our needs. There race pump will put out 350 ml per min, with a 1mm nozzle, mine put out only 275 with a in-iline check valve. The pump is at it's max output. You would need several pumps and jet's to reach the minimum that our engines require. There systems are designed for small displacement gassers. I've been there and done that, 400 down the tubes, literally. All that it would be good for, is to fine tune a system that capable of doing the job the first time.



jerry

 

[Jim Fulmer]

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Jim

 

[csevers]

Any thoughts on how far away/close to the engine one could get a way with puting the nozels? On a 24v? I see both of Jim's are on the back, Do you think there is any difference if they were mounted one on the front one on the back of the tube? Spaced out how far? Just crazy idea's?



Thanks

Craig

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Craig, the distance need between the two is in relation to the fittings so you have enough room for the parts to fit, I had it at first with one in the hat and one in the pipe coming from the intercooler with no notable difference, Matt Snow asked me to try both in the hat and I did, heck I like the looks better. One in front and one in back will make no difference, at 3 inches away from the nozzle the pattern is 6 inches wide, those that were at the LSTDR rally saw me show this test with the spare nozzle I have shooting it in the open air.



Jim

 

[willyslover]

Jim. . a link to the Snow unit please

Thanks

Gary



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[TurboTweaker]

Hey Gonzzo if your a tractor puller you'll know what i mean when i say these kids need to see a 4 turbo setup with water injection. there is alot more egts in that setup than our little motors