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On this same subject matter... . ALWAYS CLEAN/GREASE the coupler and ball!



A buddy of mine towed a car dolly with his "dream car" (1969 Camaro), just bought, from Garden Grove to Simi Valley. When arriving at his house he discovered there was NO NUT on the ball! There was when he started the trip! This will occur when little or no lube is between ball & coupler due to the friction turning the ball. I Loctite (242) the ball and center punch the balls flange and the plate so I can tell at a glance if any movement has occured.



Use MADE IN USA parts. . lots of Chinese trash IMO out there.



Mike



Steve,

Lots of good info in your post.
 
Notice the key concept in Steve's post is that the front wheel GAWR is only 600 - 900 lbs (depending on the model of truck) over curb front wheel weight. That's because the Cummins B6 motor weighs 900 lbs. There is plenty of weight carrying capacity on the rear wheels but not so much rated capacity up front to manage the effects of a weight distributing hitch. I'd see how the truck responded to the tongue weight without the WD spring bars and use the anti-sway bar for extra control.
 
I use the WD bars. I would take the trailer to the scales and weight in both before and after the trailer.



The info Steve provided is nice, but then so is jgallentine's.



In jgallentine's case the trailer transfered a almost 500lb of the front axle weight back to the rear. Made the front lighter. Probably also make the truck ride with the nose in the air. The rear had to take up the tongue weight as well as the front axle weight that was transfered. -- In this case I would use the WD bars. Only use enough WD bars to transfer weight so the front is no heavier than it is empty, and the truck rides level. The rear is still taking up all of the tongue weight applied by the trailer.



Now in Steves case since he has no WD bars, and judging from his scale readings, it would seem that the trailer did not transfer any front axle weight to the rear. In this case it seems fine w/o bars as long as you beef up the system as he has.
 
Towing thoughts

dpope, et al:



There's a lot of thought & patience needed to get your towing set-up correct, different needs and quite a few different pieces that one could use.



My set up includes the weight distributing bars from Reese, 12,000 capacity with the adjustable head angle & drop adjustable hitch bar. I added their "Dual-Cam" sway control AND a friciton bar type anti-sway controller.



The Dual Cam is quite effective, it helps the tongue connection to "self-center", like a stiff link returning to the detent position, to help in cross winds, and very necessary with semi-trucks and the drafts they create.



I do tow heavy, with a trailer weight of about 10,000 lbs + 3000 lbs of cargo, so 20,000 total. Trailer is a bumper-pull 38' Sandpiper TT with 2 slides, with our 97 2500, which is equipped with Firestone Air-Life airbag suspension on rear, Rancho RS 90000 Adjustable shocks & the Rickson 19. 5 conversion rim/tire package.



Nevertheless, despite the well-equipped truck (I don't know what more could be done to it, besides) getting the Weight Distributing set up correct was critical to towing safely. At first I did all the above EXCEPT I didn't install the "Dual Cam" sway control option, and it wasn't quite safe, real tenative with crosswinds & semi blow by. After installing that, it is much more predictable.



I must add: I only do this because bed storage is needed. I know that most folks tow a larger or heavier 5th wheel with much less fuss than I who must function, at least for now, with a bumper-pull trailer.



Hope some of this is worth something to you... ... .



Wishing you Safe Towing :) and no funny stuff :eek:



David B.
 
dpope



I would recommend using the weight distributing bars and an anti sway bar. It is more fun with them on. I use both and when they are not tightened properly I get a lot of bounce and sway. I tightened up real tight and it tracked like on a rail. I also tow way underweight. My HO is rated for 13,000 and I pull about 5,000.



On another note. When you are towing with all of these contraptions they will effect your maneuverability. When you get into a campground take off the anti sway and wd bars before you have to back thru groves of trees etc... . There is much less mysterious noises that occur. Ca-crack "what the heck was that":--)





Congrats on your airstream. What a classic.
 
50 psi in the trailer tires (that's the max pressure listed on the tires). On the truck I run 60 front and rear with the motorcycles in the back and the trailer, 55 front and rear with just the trailer. The trucks tires are 65 psi max (BFG 285/75 AT KO's). Unloaded I run 55 front, 45 rear on the truck.
 
Flirting w/disaster

Anyone towing a TT w/out a WD system is flirting with disaster. Just hope you never get in a situation where the tail ends up wagging the dog. It's scary enough w/ a WD, but w/o one it's shear terror if not deadly. " And that's all I have to say about that. "
 
I've never had this explained to me to my satisfaction. How exactly does a weight distributing hitch do anything to reduce trailer sway? I can understand how the Hensley, the Pull rite, and the Reese dual cam hitches reduce sway. But I can't see anything at all on a regular weight distributing hitch that will reduce sway (other than the friction sway control that is on most of them - but you can do that on a weight carrying hitch as well as I do). I can see where the trailer could jack the rear end of the truck up and down and where a WD hitch would reduce that. Maybe I'm missing something. An example is John Berger's post above, he had a weight distributing hitch and had a sway problem severe enough to cause an accident because his tongue load was too light. How about the zillions of pintle hitch trailers out there that have no weight distributing bars and are WAY heavier than our TT's?
 
Question for Steve

Steve:



Thanks for your informative posts. It's clear that with the widely varying conditions, we could debate this one until the LORD comes back !



I think, though, that everyone benefits from hearing other's specific circumstance then taking into account how their's are similar or differing.



Have you seen the Hensley hitch in person on a rig ? If so, how did it seem to perform ? I've seen their website and noticed how pricey it was (I think about $ 2500 !!), thinking, well it must be pretty incredible for that much !



Meanwhile, I've had good success with the Reese WD 12,000 w/ Dual cam sway control, towing our immense 38' bumper pull TT, with our 2500.



Many Thanks,



David Bazley :)
 
I haven't seen one in person yet (Hensley) but I have seen their promo video and it's pretty incredible. Doc Tinker got one earlier this year I think, you may want to ask him about it.
 
dpope - One good reason to have a weight distributing hitch on your 25' trailer: You can legally tow your trailer on Michigan freeways at the maximum posted speed, not the 55 mph truck speed.



I used a weight dist. hitch on my 25' Wilderness and I don't think I'd feel comfortable towing it without. Of coarse the Wilderness is a square box and not designed like an Airstream, so I'm sure the Airstream is easier to handle.



I do think that distributing the weight helps the handling characteristics of your vehicle while towing, reduced bounce would be one such characteristic. With the equalizers, you get more of a luxury car ride, rather than a rear end bouncing ride from the trailer seesawing when you hit high spots in the road.



You can still get that seesaw effect if you don't properly adjust your equalizers, and I've seen a lot of tow vehicle improperly set up.



Now that I have a larger and heavier TT, I have graduated to a higher level of hitches. I now use a Hensley hitch and the more I use it the better I like it. Yes, it is very expensive and I don't recommend you run out to get one, for the rig you've got, but for those who want to tow big heavy TTs, it's great.



Here is what I like about the Hensley:



I can turn the truck and 32' trailer around in almost the same turning radius as the truck itself. One bad example of this was on my trip to Calgary. Bill (my team mate) was leading, with his 5er, when we decided to stop for lunch. Bill pulled off of the highway, onto a side road, thinking that there was a picnic area there. Well. . there wasn't a picnic area and we were on a narrow two lane road with few places to turn around. Bill headed on down the road looking for a place to turn around. I played stupid and decided that after my good experiences of turning around with the Hensley, that I could do a u-turn in a driveway that teed into the road. To make a short story even shorter, I turned TOO sharp, because I didn't want my right front tire to go off the road and into the weed (who knows what might be in those weeds!). Needless to say. . I heard a bang. I completed my turn and got out to investigate. I found that my rear bumper had kissed the mount for the hitch, on the tongue of the trailer, and popped the sheer bolts that held the part in position. While the wives made sandwiches, Bill and I realigned the hitch parts, drilled out and replaced the broken bolts. Pretty lousy example of turning capabilities, don't you think? That experience has not dampened my pleasure of owning such a hitch though.



That same day, we were pounded by head and crosswinds. Mrs Bill commented on how a cattle truck that passed them was leaning in the wind. And I commented on how Bill's 5er was leaning in the wind. I don't know how hard the wind was blowing, but it was hard enough to make trailers lean :) Anyway. . Bill was talking about the wind, while I was cruising along one handed, thinking that the Hensley sure was fun to have at times.



I like backing my trailer, with the Hensley. My street is barely wide enough for two cars to pass, and I have to back my trailer into a driveway that is one car width wide at the street. And I have to avoid hitting three mailboxes on the opposite side of the street. With the old trailer, I had to make three passes to get it parked in my driveway, but with the new trailer (7 feet longer) and the Hensley hitch, I can do it in one smooth action, right into the trailer's berth.



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What I don't like about the Hensley (I need to show both sides of the story here, you know!?):



It's sinfully expensive, but once you get past that, you can forget about :)



It didn't improve my mpg :(



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Anyway. . Do what makes you feel comfortable. You're the one driving the rig. If you will be letting your wife or someone else drive, consider their comfort level too. If you try doing it without and you get nervous sometimes, then maybe you should look into going the next step.



One note about the wife towing. . Mrs Doc drives the new rig, with the Hensley. She never wanted to drive the old rig. Maybe she saw me puckering my cheeks at times, with the old trailer, and knew she didn't want to try it :)



Doc
 
Hensley

I investigated the Hensley quite extensively before making the decision to purchase it. I pull a 28' TT and have not had a "white knuckle" experience yet. I have been passed by speeding semis, dropped thr right side off the road onto the gravel, and have been in high wind situations. My wife is also very comfortable driving as well. The turning radius is fantastic! Hook up can be a pita until you get used to it. I use a mirror and a tongue twister that really helps alot.



BTW, I also "popped" the screws off the right side bracket while backing up a steep inclince with the truck/trailer just short of jack-knifed. The right side screw on the LP tank tray also broke on that manuver. I repaired by drilling and tapping new holes, replacing the screws with bolts.



BTW... My friends and family still think I am completely nuts for spending so much on a hitch... . but then they don't drive for me either... .

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I was also okay with it being about $1k over the pull-rite as this unit is vehicle specific whereas the Hensley is completely mounted on the TT and therefore transferable to any 2" receiver.



I think that Weight Distributing hitches and sway control are seperate issues (the Hensley has both). Weight distribution seems like it is purely a weight issue, you either need it or you don't. If you tow reasonably level... . why bother. Sway control is sinply a safety and comfort decision.



I don't have any first hand experience, I have read the the friction type sway control is very effective, but will actually work to a disadvantage in an emergency situation.



If you are so inclined, you can research an extensive amount of technical data on the US Patent web site.
 
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dpope - I've got one you can try out

I've just moved to Arlington, TX. I even know where the thing is amid all the boxes and debris. I'm on a vacation/road trip until mid August, but once I get back, you're more than welcome to try mine out to see what the difference is. PM me and I'll send you my phone number.
 
thanks !

Thanks to both wesoule & doc for sharing their Hensley hitch experiences.



I will admit to considering it seriously. The Reese Dual Cam unit, now that I've finally got it set-up properly, seems to be doing well. But I must admit, it's still only about an 80 % comfort level, and I would prefer closer to 100 %.



I just read the letters on their site from satisfied owners and a few of them mentioned what you did, total comfort & confidence even a couple who had another vehicle accidently hit them at freeway speeds, they stopped safely. WOW can't imagine that, I think I'd "buy the farm".



Another one had to swerve violently to avoid a sudden encroachment on their lane, then back to avoid oncoming traffic, done so without incident or loss of control. I guess I should "ask the man who owns one", do you gentlemen think that this is closer to hype or realistic expectation for the Hensley Arrow hitch ?



I hate to sound picky, it's just that if it's that good that if it virtually insures (with other reasonable factors in place) no trailer induced sway and therefore, greater safety, it's well worth the

$ 2800 !!



No price can be put on bodily safety, and the truck & trailer are worth about $ 50 K together, so I guess if it works as advertised, it's downright cheap.



Thanks for listening and commenting, anyone.



David B :)
 
I also sheared the attachment bolt on one side of the Hensley in a tight back-up maneuver. I was watching obstacles rather than how sharp the TT was turning. Result was a jack-knife and that "pop" sound when the bolt sheared. Hopefully once was enough to learn a lesson, but always carry a spare shear bolt with me now.
 
Does someone have the link to the Hensley site?I tried a search and got nothing,but a beer company. Id like to see what it looks like,thanks.
 
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