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Why doesn't the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight) equal the sum of the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight) and the max trailer weight recommendations ?



For instance on my 98. 5 QC 3. 54 AT the GVWR is 8800#'s, max trailer is 10500#'s which equals 19300#'s but the GCWR is 16000#'s.



Your enlightenment is welcome !:confused:
 
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if the GCWR is the allowable weight of the whole rig and the GVWR is the allowable weight of the tow vehicle and the GTWR is the allowable for the trailer I'm still confused.



if I load my truck to the allowed (8800) and my TT to the allowed (10500) I will excedd the allowed combined weight.



how can the allowed combined not equal the sum of the allowed for the parts? is this an either/or situation? meaning either can weigh that much but both still can't excedd the GCWR.



I'm not being anal here, I'm trying to figger if I can buy a new 5er with the truck I currently own.



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I'll try to explain it. Maximum trailer weight is really more of a marketing thing and is a phantom number. It does not take into account the options on your truck and is actually based on the lightest possible combination of options. Given your example of a QC 3. 54 Automatic in order to be able to tow the maximum trailer weight of 10,500 lbs it would be a short bed truck, 2wd, with the lightest interior (cloth or even vinyl if it's available) the smallest engine available (the 5. 9 gasser I believe) completely stripped (no power windows, door locks, clearance lights, bedliner, fog lamps, carpet, etc, etc), only a driver sitting in it (they probably estimate you around 170 lbs), no passenger, no luggage, no bags, not even a briefcase, no fuel in the tank (!) - I think you get the picture.



Now for the real world, to be legal, what you have to do is get the actual weight of your truck along with your load in the truck - you, the wife, kids, dog, clothes, full tank of fuel, the trailer hooked up (the pin weight on a 5er, or the tongue weight on a TT) - the weight on both of the truck axles has to be less than the GVWR of 8,800 lbs. The weight on each axle individually has to be less than the GAWR ratings listed in your door jamb. On the trailer, with all of your stuff loaded into it and the tanks loaded how you plan on towing it, the weight on both of the trailer axles has to be less than the GAWR rating on the trailer ID tag (usually on the drivers side front) and less than the GVWR rating on that same tag, Then all of the axles put together have to be less than the GCVWR that your truck is rated for.



In the end the answer to your question is that there is almost no way that you will EVER be able to tow a trailer that weighs the max trailer weight that's listed. As an example my truck with me, my wife, daughter, the normal stuff carried in it, and dog with a full fuel tank weighs 7,800 lbs (2500 QC LB 5sp 4x4 with 4. 10's). It's rated at 8,800 GVWR and 18,000 GCVWR with the max trailer weight listed at 11,900. So the TRUE max trailer weight would be 10,200 lbs (with the trailer fully loaded, not empty) and the tongue weight or pin weight couldn't be over 1,000 lbs. Which means based on the recommended tongue weight of 10% on a TT I could only tow a 10,000 lb TT which would put me 200 lbs below the max GCVWR. Based on the recommended pin weight of 15% on a 5er I could only tow a 6675 lb fiver. Which would put me 2525 lbs under the GCVWR but I would be at the max 8,800 GVWR!!



Now that you are probably completely confused (I hope not) what it comes down to is forget the max trailer rating completely - just ignore it. If you want to be legal make sure that fully loaded you are under the GVWR of the truck and trailer, under all of the GAWR's (axle ratings) of all 4 axles, under the tongue weight rating in the case of a TT, and under the GCVWR of your truck (with the trailer attached). Your limit is the LOWEST of any of those numbers.
 
I've seen the light !

thanks to Klenger and Steve for your input. Looks like if I offload the wife's 2 poodles and the chihuahua I might be able to buy and tow the 5er she wants.

No, wait, I can't live without the dogs (sic), so I guess an '03 QC 4x4 HO 6 spd is needed to buy and tow the 5er she wants !

Thanks guys... .
 
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Now that you got it figured out, take the RAWR and the FAWR and see what you get ;-)

Like the others have already mentioned - Legally you should not exceed any rating and the easiest to go over for me in the 8800 GVWR.
 
and you thought I couldn't figger.....

GAWR Front = 4410

GAWR Rear = 6084



total GAWR = 10494



but that don't mean squat 'cause I can only load the PU to it's GVWR of 8800 #'s total!



niether axle can carry more than it's individual GAWR, right ?



hey us lizards ain't totally dense ! (just mostly)

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