west coast gas prices

[Regcabguy]

I'll bite on this one. As a resident of la republica de california for most of my life, it is a number of things that make sure we may more for fuel (diesel or gasoline) than other states:



1. Administrative and legal harassment of anyone who even suggests a rebuilt or new refinery is needed, let alone a very loooong and costly application process designed to make sure none get built. In part driven by the "NIMBY's" aka not in my back yard folks and our super majority state government ruled by crazy wacko's.



2. The California Air Resources Board (aka CARB) thinks of itself as an environmental pioneer and revels in creating a unique formulation for gasoline that costs more, does a little bit and creates a special market for this state. They are the implementers of the US EPA air quality rules, which are themselves the acts of people attempting to prolong their jobs, not really clean things up. All of the rules and regulations have no basis in reality or cost effectiveness, but are the darling of the environmental wacko's so prevalent in this state.



3. CARB hires people of dubious skills and qualifications, but they are never called to justify their "rules" etc. One guy claimed to have a Phd, and had none, was not fired when found out.



4. Dubious claims as to the effectiveness and impact of new rules, without any cost benefit. Most of the claims are "30 percent reduction"... . When means in real math, 0. 03 percent overall reduction, since the 30% or whatever the number is based upon the starting base years ago, and ignores the real improvement to date. Worse yet, no cost justification is required. If the real improvements were made clear, it would suggest the agency needs a fraction of the employees they have, so natural bureaucratic behavior of always growing and finding more reasons for existence are found or made up.



5. Our "leaders" state and federal who are supposed to represent us seem only to care about silencing the vocal and litigious people and have one thing in mind always, reelection. Just take one look at the nut cases we have as senators from this state, the governor and so on.



We are out of here as soon as I am close to retirement (couple of years at longest).



4.

Well said. I filled up in Crescent City in Sept before heading south. Across the border here gas and diesel was $0. 15 to $0. 20 gallon higher. Oregon doesn't have sales tax so that accounts for 7. 75% reduction but where's the other 10-15 cents?



We were up there three yrs ago and the price difference was negligible.



The Canadians and ourselves should share a common gripe: why doesn't the majority of the oil stay in the country of origin satisfying the needs of the residents and the balance goes out to the world? A $1. 00/gal reduction across the board would help the domestic economy by driving down the price of goods and services.



There would be still be plenty of profit for the extractors.

I'm a simple man,shouldn't the taxpayers have more of a say into the eventual destination of a product derived from our sovereign lands?

 

[BIGNASTY]

I'm sure that, with credible evidence in hand, the Washington attorney general would bring legal action against the responsible oil companies, right?? So, has that happened?



Rusty

Here's the credible evidence in hand that BIG OIL AND WASHINGTON know ALL TO WELL. Legal action that would be like suing your mom for bringing you into the world :-laf

 

[RustyJC]

Last time I checked, Big, the state of Washington was a blue state. There's nothing a Democratic state attorney general would love more than to take down a big oil company. These allegations of price fixing have gone on for decades; so how many convictions have you seen? Heck, how many indictments have you seen?

Rusty

 

[JR]

Here's the credible evidence in hand that BIG OIL AND WASHINGTON know ALL TO WELL. Legal action that would be like suing your mom for bringing you into the world :-laf

BIG, you must be headed to the strip club with all them singles :-laf

Tractorat, we all feel your pain on high fuel prices, everybody that relies on the petro to make a living does regardless of wether theyre bashing you or not.

 

[Tractorat]

There's nothing a Democratic state attorney general would love more than to take down a big oil company

Actually, the ag is a conservative republican.

 

[RustyJC]

In Washington state?? How did the Seattle liberals let THAT happen??



Rusty

 

[Tractorat]

He is a smart guy, very qualified, and has been liked by both dem and rep.
He ran for governor this last time and everyone was sure he would win. But, even though he was the only one who actually understands the issues, articulated them, and has a plan, the empty suit dem beat him. Mckenna just didnt run a very good campaign. But, even at that it was close.


The only thing the dem said about Mckenna is that his plan for funding schools will raise everyones taxes. Well, the reality is that the plan is not only rev neutral, it was actually dreamed up by the dem legislature. But like I said, the rep ran a poor campaign.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Last time I checked, Big, the state of Washington was a blue state. There's nothing a Democratic state attorney general would love more than to take down a big oil company. These allegations of price fixing have gone on for decades; so how many convictions have you seen? Heck, how many indictments have you seen?

Rusty

As long as they keep paying my retirement when the time comes and they have been paying for the medical bills IN FULL. let them make what ever anyone will pay.

 

[BIGNASTY]

BIG, you must be headed to the strip club with all them singles :-laf
Tractorat, we all feel your pain on high fuel prices, everybody that relies on the petro to make a living does regardless of wether theyre bashing you or not.

D4L havent been to a stip club in a long time we use to stop at one after work wash down the gas/diesel in our necks with a beer and look at the T/A. The wife asked if her's werent good enough she can dance just like they do and I didnt have to pay to see up close.