Competition What 2 do with the charger

[FUL POWER]

A friend of mine recently purchased a turbocharger from a sled-shop near

here.



The turbo was something new that the shop wanted him to try. It started out

as a H2E then they machined the housing to fit in a 72mm inducer wheel. And

then machined a 17cm2 Non WG exhaust housing to fit.



It sounds like a cool idea but I told him it would probably surge itself to

death.



The builder told him that he wouldn't have to worry about breaking it and

that he had sled guys pushing this turbo 75-80psi



He installed the turbo on his truck and he pushed it to 65 psi a couple of

times at most. Then less than a week after he installed the charger it ate

itself. And started pouring oil into his motor.



All he has for fuel is a warmed up 215 pump (12V) and some 370 injectors.

The builder told him he didn't have enough fuel to push the turbo hard

enough to break it. Yet now its broke and the builder says its his fault and

won't stand behind it.



By the way this is a street truck never has been hooked to a sled.



Should I tell my buddy that he should just move on and just consider it part

of competiton or should I tell him to lean on the builder a bit harder.

 

[csutton7]

I'd lean a little and then I'd put this guys name out there so other's don't get bitten if he doesn't come thru --chris

 

[GButia]

lean on him... I would go absolutely balistic. The guys not being honest and I can't stand that s%$t

 

[Highfinance97]

What an ***, keep at that guy and dont let down and maybe take him to the BBB Find out the shops name, we want to know





Michael

 

[KevinH]

if you can't get it worked out with them, i would post the company's name so no one else drops 2 grand on a turbo thats not going to last 2 weeks. it's no big deal if they'll stand behind their products.

 

[Kenny.taylor]

Fulpower, please PM me with the name of this company

Thanks,

Holset Aftermarket, Memphis, TN

 

[J.R. Adkins]

This sounds close to situation for a customer of mine.



Here are the details.



The customer wanted pretty much the same turbo as above. With the fastest spoolup possible for the turbine wheel size. I had never done one like this and cautioned him. This customer has a fully built motor with LOW compression and a custom cam. I told the customer to stay safe and keep boost less than 60 PSI.

Customer installed turbo and could hit 65 PSi. I told him to put an exturnal wastegate on it to keep it in the "Safe" zone. And to check drive pressure. Customer said will do.



Customer drops truck off at a diesel performance shop in his state for exhaust work. (The customer just has a home made downpipe at this time)The customer drove his truck in with NO problems. He then gets a call a day or so later and the diesel mechanic said that he could hear a noise coming from the air filter area and decided to remove it and then staits that the turbo bearings are worn out. Customer removes the turbo for his stocker and sends it off for inspection. Well after inspection the shaft has been broke. And the customers trip odometer has been reset. HMMMMMMMM.



I am still working with this customer to get this taken care of.





J. R.

 

[WUnderwood]

you could also give his company name to the better business bureau, or something close to that effect

 

[01smokinram]

Last time I checked these trucks also have odometers.



What good would reseting a trip do, other than raise suspicion.







The way I see it if a shop/vendor/builder tells somebody that it's enough turbo and then it blows up soon after install then they should stand behind their product.



Personally I don't like being the guinea pig.



72mm with a 17cm housing sounds retarded to me. If somebody tried to sell me that I'd tell them they were crazy. How that thing wouldn't surge all the time I don't know.



Or like many they could just tell the customer "Thats a competition/custom part and their is no warrenty on competition/custom parts". And probably get away with it just because they can.



In other words just they stiff the guy.



I say they should stand behind their product. If they don't then get back on here and hang the jerk out to dry.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

if he said don't worry about breaking it that he has sled pullers seeing over 75psi with it and it takes a dump on the street at only a couple runs to 65psi, I'd say it's on the builder to make it right... but in this day and age, I'm sure the builder will try to pawn it off on your buddy and say it's a competition part w/ no warranty.



that's why I only buy from trusted vendors!

 

[JTrantham]

I think this has gone on a little too long, and for very wrong reasons.



First of all if I am the "friend"/"buddy" FUL POWER is refering to, which undoubtedly I am, I have never spoken to him. I do not know him, where he lives, his real name, or for that matter anything about him. I sure as heck didn't tell him anything about my truck or situation!!! How Ful POWER got this information seems obvious, or should after reading the remainder of my post.

Here are the facts--not coninving BS:​

I purchased a one-of-a-kind somewhat experimental turbcharger from J. R. Adkins. I explained my needs very clearly to him; he was willing to work with me. Before I installed the turbo J. R. warned me to keep boost around 60 psi. I installed the turbo, and at this time had 370 injectors and a 650 cc pump. I wanted to test the charger first with small injectors before I moved on to much larger ones. I made two or three test runs which where very successful... no traction at over 70 mph and clean burning my fuel. I saw 65 psi once I slid my plate full forward. These test took place entirely withing one day's time. No prolems whatsoever with the turbo, I was thrilled. I had no exhaust other than a foot long piece of 4 inch pipe to exit the smoke, so I took my truck to SM Diesel (Owned and Opperated by Wes Snow) for a 5 inch exhaust kit. I have delt with Wes before with no problems. The day after my few test runs I drove my truck some 60 miles to Wes' shop with NO problems. A few days later I get a call saying that my turbo is shot... I was in disbelief because I shut the truck off in his driveway with zero signs of a problem: no noise, cool egts driving there, etc.



I sent the turbo back to J. R. for inspection, obviously. J. R. sent the turbo to an engineer for failure analysis--the results were that the shaft had "snapped. " I was floored, as there is no way on earth I could have driven the truck and not realized a snapped shaft... especially with practically no exhaust!!! I was driving with my windows down on top of that. I politely approached Wes about the situation, insisting something must have happened while the truck was in his possesion. He claims the truck was never driven, which is great, but I know the shaft was not broken when I dropped the truck off. After explaining the situation from my prospective to Wes he said he would be willing to cover the expense of the turbo. This was the last thing I knew.

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Then I see this thread, and am blown away by the willingness of several members to talk behind peoples back, and not deal in truth. I refuse to be apart of any "game," finger pointing, or slanderous name-smearing.



I have detailed, with 100% honesty, how this entire problem unfolded.



There really not much else for ME to say.



Jonathan

 

[moremph]

Way to stand up and correct the situation Jtrantham. Everyone is always willing to point finger and burn people at the stake and not willing to hear the "whole story".



Especially when you have idiots on here trying to "stir the pot" so to say,



Hope everything works out.



Chris

 

[Tomeygun]

I think this has gone on a little too long, and for very wrong reasons.



First of all if I am the "friend"/"buddy" FUL POWER is refering to, which undoubtedly I am, I have never spoken to him. I do not know him, where he lives, his real name, or for that matter anything about him. I sure as heck didn't tell him anything about my truck or situation!!! How Ful POWER got this information seems obvious, or should after reading the remainder of my post.

Here are the facts--not coninving BS:​

I purchased a one-of-a-kind somewhat experimental turbcharger from J. R. Adkins. I explained my needs very clearly to him; he was willing to work with me. Before I installed the turbo J. R. warned me to keep boost around 60 psi. I installed the turbo, and at this time had 370 injectors and a 650 cc pump. I wanted to test the charger first with small injectors before I moved on to much larger ones. I made two or three test runs which where very successful... no traction at over 70 mph and clean burning my fuel. I saw 65 psi once I slid my plate full forward. These test took place entirely withing one day's time. No prolems whatsoever with the turbo, I was thrilled. I had no exhaust other than a foot long piece of 4 inch pipe to exit the smoke, so I took my truck to SM Diesel (Owned and Opperated by Wes Snow) for a 5 inch exhaust kit. I have delt with Wes before with no problems. The day after my few test runs I drove my truck some 60 miles to Wes' shop with NO problems. A few days later I get a call saying that my turbo is shot... I was in disbelief because I shut the truck off in his driveway with zero signs of a problem: no noise, cool egts driving there, etc.



I sent the turbo back to J. R. for inspection, obviously. J. R. sent the turbo to an engineer for failure analysis--the results were that the shaft had "snapped. " I was floored, as there is no way on earth I could have driven the truck and not realized a snapped shaft... especially with practically no exhaust!!! I was driving with my windows down on top of that. I politely approached Wes about the situation, insisting something must have happened while the truck was in his possesion. He claims the truck was never driven, which is great, but I know the shaft was not broken when I dropped the truck off. After explaining the situation from my prospective to Wes he said he would be willing to cover the expense of the turbo. This was the last thing I knew.

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Then I see this thread, and am blown away by the willingness of several members to talk behind peoples back, and not deal in truth. I refuse to be apart of any "game," finger pointing, or slanderous name-smearing.



I have detailed, with 100% honesty, how this entire problem unfolded.



There really not much else for ME to say.



Jonathan

I hope for "FUL POWER"s sake that you are not the one he is talking about.



If so than I am glad you chimed in and let us know the real story... Sorry to hear about the trouble though, it sucks to have someone else break your stuff!

 

[csutton7]

well we need to hear from FUL POWER now to see if indeed Jonathan is the guy or not he is talking about--chris

 

[FUL POWER]

Sorry for your problems Jtrantham, and for everyone else please tell me where i said that it was him. . Its one of my friends up where i pull. And to tomeygun what the he!! does this mean "I hope for "FUL POWER"s sake that you are not the one he is talking about. " Please explain

 

[Tomeygun]

And to tomeygun what the he!! does this mean "I hope for "FUL POWER"s sake that you are not the one he is talking about. " Please explain

No problem, I'm happy to explain.



I said that because I hope "JTrantham" is NOT the person you speak of in your initial post. If he is the "friend" you speak of, then there was some serious mis-communication (never good).



If he is NOT the friend, then my "hope" for you was fufilled and you did not mis-quote someone elses situation...



I did not mean any offence, I am glad to hear you did not mis-communicate the situation

 

[JTrantham]

Sorry for your problems Jtrantham, and for everyone else please tell me where i said that it was him. . Its one of my friends up where i pull. And to tomeygun what the he!! does this mean "I hope for "FUL POWER"s sake that you are not the one he is talking about. " Please explain

FUL POWER, I said "if I am the one you are refering to... "



Since it seems like your "friend" and I have an identical situation, I'm sure he could commiserate with me. If it's not too much of a problem I wouldn't mind his name and number so I can talk to him about our turbo problems. I am sure we could both learn a lot by comparing our situations.



Jonathan