what 2-stroke oil?

[Kry226]

I'd like to know if one of our injector gurus like DonM have worked on injectors with considerable 2-stroke use. And if so, how did the injectors look?

 

[steved]

He (DonM) had asked if I had run 2-stroke when I had injectors done last year, but did not indicate if it was a good or bad idea. It was like he was getting some baseline data on it... it would be interesting to know.



Obviously diesel fuel additives don't seem to help... I had ran PS every tank to that point (failed injector)... I haven't ran additive but twice since getting the injectors rebuilt.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

Cost factor??

Newbie to the diesel world. I had never heard of this before now (another good reason to be a TDR member). Please correct me if I am wrong. I am not a mechanic but I dont seem to be having any "injector or pump noise" at 15K miles. I tow a 28ft TT intermittently but mostly home to work driving and some off roading not extreme. Isnt this a little expensive even when purchased at Walmart? Is the rationalization that this is insurance against a fuel pump or injector failure? Thanks in advance for guidance as I am trying to learn one day at a time and want to keep my rig for a long time too!

 

[CumminsBu]

I don't know all the facts, so I well give you the short on it. Back in the day Diesel fuel had very good lubrication properties and with new mandates to lower sulfur PPM from diesel fuel. The process on make Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) at 15 PPM breaks down the lubricating properties a pretty great amount as compared before with 500 PPM Sulfur fuel also know as Low Sulfur Diesel or LSD. The idea is more lube equals longer life on the injection system.

I see in your sig you have a 6. 7 and I don't thing you need to run any 2 stoke oil, I believe it is more for engine built without the 2010 engine standard. Which your engine was designed with the poor lubricating properties of ULSD in mind.

I also decided to start running the wally 2 stoke oil and yup the engine is alot quieter, almost sounds new again.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

Black Pearl:
So I dont have to worry about the internal lubrication issue with ULSD due to my having a newer truck and all? Thank you. I am pretty leary about using additives especially in the fuel area. I buy all my fuel on base here at Fort Huachuca AZ and havent had any issues yet. Only additive I ever put in was when I drove up to Hill AFB near Salt Lake UT and that was to help with cold weather gel of fuel. Thanks again for the information and peace of mind.
MAJ D

 

[CumminsBu]

As long as you trust the station you are get your fuel from I don't see the need. If you travel alot, weary about what fuel quality of fuel then I would run Power Service (the white bottle with red lid or the gray bottle with black lid) in every tank for add lubrication/ protection.

The other thing is add filtration, the newer injection need super clean fuel filtered down to 2-3 microns. Factory filter only filter down to 7-10 microns. Many have added an Airdog, FASS or Glacier Diesel Power system. If your into fab up your own system I do have some part number for a Donaldson filterhead and 2 micron filters.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

Black Peal,
Does the FASS or GDPS void any warranty concerns for the motor? Also wondering if I should opt for extra oil filtration too? Not sure what that device is called yet. Still learning. Thanks so much for the information.

 

[CumminsBu]

I have seen on here that super dirty, rusty or water in the fuel system void a warranty faster the an after-market fuel system. A voided warranty we be up to the dealer some are okay with after-market upgrades, some are not. FASS and GDP systems or any other add filter will be hard for a dealer to prove if caused the problem to an engine failure.

The add filter to the oil side is called an Oil Bypass Filter. I have an Amsoil BMK 11 an older one. There is some other out there. I like the BMK 11 because it uses spin-on filters vs canister filter which can be a pain to change and clean.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

BP, ok... thanks for the info. Am looking at sites now. will let you know how it goes.
MAJ D

 

[JHMiller]

No additives in 2007+

Be aware that engines designed for the new fuel and I believe it begins with the 2007 model should not have additives added. There is some very expensive equipment (particulate filters) that may be damaged by additives and the warranty will probably be voided also.

What needs to be done for anti-gel in these vehicles I don't know either.

Have a word with your dealer... John

 

[steved]

Be aware that engines designed for the new fuel and I believe it begins with the 2007 model should not have additives added. There is some very expensive equipment (particulate filters) that may be damaged by additives and the warranty will probably be voided also.

What needs to be done for anti-gel in these vehicles I don't know either.

Have a word with your dealer... John

As long as the additive states "2007+ compliant", it should not be a problem...

 

[steved]

I just got back from South Carolina... the best I got down and back was just under 19mpg, towing about 2000#s and around 600#s on the bed. To be fair, I ran winter fuel, studded snow tires (more rolling resistance), and about the same weight, on almost the same trip and averaged better than 20mpg.

While it does make it quieter, it didn't seem to affect mileage, and may have even caused it to drop a bit. I'm going to give it these three gallons before I decide to continue running it. On a side note, it does smoke (under hard acceleration of lugging) worse with the 2-cycle.

 

[JDiepstra]

Its the TWC-3 Super Tech everyone uses correct?

What do you mean everyone? I and most other 3rd gen owners do not put any crappy weedwacker 2 stroke junk lube in the fuel system!

 

[CumminsBu]

What do you mean everyone? I and most other 3rd gen owners do not put any crappy weedwacker 2 stroke junk lube in the fuel system!

Take a look at this then. :-laf



Walmart Supertech 2 Cycle Oil - iboats Boating Forums

 

[Heavyweight]

go supertech... .

 

[JDiepstra]

Take a look at this then. :-laf



Walmart Supertech 2 Cycle Oil - iboats Boating Forums

LOL so youre telling me those guys are running Cummins 5. 9 HPCR's in their boats? Just cause it's good for one engine doesn't mean it's good for them all.

 

[steved]

If you don't like it, don't use it... seems simple enough to me??



The diesel fuel lubricity study indicates it works very well...

 

[JDiepstra]

If you don't like it, don't use it... seems simple enough to me??



The diesel fuel lubricity study indicates it works very well...

But not as well as the 6 or so other products that worked better. AND furthermore, just because it added lubricity does not mean that it does not do other sorts of harm.

 

[Heavyweight]

opti-lube if you dont want to run 2cycle oil.



The summer blend treats up 750 gallons or so and scores great on the lube test for the injectors.

 

[steved]

But not as well as the 6 or so other products that worked better. AND furthermore, just because it added lubricity does not mean that it does not do other sorts of harm.

Please indicate all the engine and engine component failures directly related to the use of 2-stroke...



I am not aware of any and I have known some owners running it for better than three years now... if there are failures caused by 2-stroke, I would like to know about it.