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What Can you do to help fix The fuel cost problem?
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Well, I registered ControlFuelPrices.com
Maybe it should of been a .org?
meh.
So, what kinda system should we setup? Wiki style? Blogger style? definitely a forum in there as well. Need something so that we in general can work together to build a system to start hammering the correct people.
I'll poke around to see what kinda managed hosting I wanna deal with and pay for.
Maybe it should of been a .org?
meh. So, what kinda system should we setup? Wiki style? Blogger style? definitely a forum in there as well. Need something so that we in general can work together to build a system to start hammering the correct people.
I'll poke around to see what kinda managed hosting I wanna deal with and pay for.
ABSOLUTELY!
As has been pointed out, some like me are retired, and have far greater control as to our driving and fuel expense - but even so, rising costs of energy hit us ALL, if not directly at the pump, then at retail stores as cost of groceries and all other goods increase.
NO one gets a "free ride"...
What really drove the nail a step further for me today... Gas went down 3 cents to 2. 99 at the local corner station between yesterday and today... Diesel went up another 10 cents. And I can STILL only put in $50 per card swip..... They really want my over priced Diesel sale with these $50 limits, I drove off with $50 worth of fuel...
Jason and DCreed
Thanks for posting your link on my diesel prices. I assume (yes I know)that i can use both that link and the petition link to post on the other diesel sites. The quicker this is spread the quicker we may see some relief. I am also going to send the petition to Obama and Clinton. With them neck and neck they MAY want to use it as an advantage.
Fred
Thanks for posting your link on my diesel prices. I assume (yes I know)that i can use both that link and the petition link to post on the other diesel sites. The quicker this is spread the quicker we may see some relief. I am also going to send the petition to Obama and Clinton. With them neck and neck they MAY want to use it as an advantage.
Fred
I have read that the reason gas prices haven't caught up with diesel and stayed lower is because this is a election year. But then this all started with the introduction of LSD and has escalated from there.
I read (I think it was here) that on of the reasons gasoline is so cheap is because Europe is making so much diesel that they have all this gasoline, and they are selling it to the US. Making a spike in the supply of gasoline. When you hear that it makes sense why gasoline is cheaper than diesel now then when it was the other way around. Who knows what is true anymore, we have been told so much by so may people. The election year does sound good. I used to remember my boss telling me the economy always does well in an election year. That isn't working this year is it? -Jason
There is more oil under Alaska than under the Arab countries in the middle east. It's about supply and demand. Why are we making them rich? Why not contact congress and have them ok drilling and production of Alaska oil? While ya all are at it you can ask them to allow a few more oil refineries to be built in this country. We haven't built one here in the last 30 years. Oh and the president will sign the legislation because he has already asked congress to produce the legislation I mentioned above.
Edward
Edward
The only ones that I feel are getting a free ride are the illeagles. JMHO.
I am also one of the retired folks on hereand agree that its time for something to be said to the powers that be.
Some metioned about using bio. Thats a good idea if its available.
Id like to use it but I dont have the space at home to setup making my own.
Im not savy at all about setting things up like a website and such but will sign and distribute whatever is setup.
That was the point! We would use it IF it were available. Well IF supply and demand works, then a large enough demand would set in motion a greater supply infrastructure. That is all thats missing. There are MILLIONS of acres of farmland the govt pays NOT to grow food on to keep prices up, so lets use that to grow the most productive(for fuel) inedible(no competition for food) crops we can! We need to convince those in control of the stations that we want bio because it means they have to go order it from someone other than the "crude oil mafia" and change is never easy so WE must make the change and hit them where it hurts the most, their bottom line!! If this extorsion rate crude fuel is no longer selling they WILL listen and give us what WILL sell. And I will bet my left ... they will try to stifle the bio growth and supply! but if we stand strong change will come.
We could raise funds by selling flags with CFP logo, use money to cover costs. Would also love to see all independent diesel drivers do some sort of visual protest like a pull off highway on shoulder and park for 15min every Wed from 12noon to 12:15.
Maybe company drivers would join in. I drive a 2500 p/u, I know I will pull over. I saw this done in Idaho years ago and it sure did work. I'm really buzzed and hot to advocate for an end to this crisis and man it is a crisis. Thanks all. Mike McLeran
Maybe company drivers would join in. I drive a 2500 p/u, I know I will pull over. I saw this done in Idaho years ago and it sure did work. I'm really buzzed and hot to advocate for an end to this crisis and man it is a crisis. Thanks all. Mike McLeran
Gas vs. Diesel
In previous magazines, the TDR has shown how diesel closely tracks the price of crude. But, like those who have posted, I remained bewildered by the current price disparity (diesel vs. gasoline). But now at 60 cents per gallon, the 20% price premium is starting to negate the Diesel engine's inherent 35% mechanical advantage.
What gives?
Have you read Car and Driver's April '08 magazine and the Steering Column editorial by Csaba Csere?
Just last night I had the opportunity to do so. It clearly explains the easy-to-understand mess. I urge you to pick up a copy at the newsstand today.
Reading the article will take the emotional edge away and leave you wondering about this Country's (lack of) energy policy.
NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) kind of explains it all. What politican would (will) have the guts to buck it?
I'll be pulling some information together in summary to post within the next day, but if you get a chance to read that article, I recommend you do. It is enlightening.
Robert Patton
Editor, TDR
In previous magazines, the TDR has shown how diesel closely tracks the price of crude. But, like those who have posted, I remained bewildered by the current price disparity (diesel vs. gasoline). But now at 60 cents per gallon, the 20% price premium is starting to negate the Diesel engine's inherent 35% mechanical advantage.
What gives?
Have you read Car and Driver's April '08 magazine and the Steering Column editorial by Csaba Csere?
Just last night I had the opportunity to do so. It clearly explains the easy-to-understand mess. I urge you to pick up a copy at the newsstand today.
Reading the article will take the emotional edge away and leave you wondering about this Country's (lack of) energy policy.
NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) kind of explains it all. What politican would (will) have the guts to buck it?
I'll be pulling some information together in summary to post within the next day, but if you get a chance to read that article, I recommend you do. It is enlightening.
Robert Patton
Editor, TDR
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I dont know if this would work but wouldnt it be worth a try???
Got this in an email from a friend in Mich.
THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE
> CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1. 30 PER GALLON.
>
>
>
> This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his
> engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the
> gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take
> time to read this please.
>
> Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> campaign that was going around last April or May!
> It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
>
> I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4. 00 a gallon by next summer and
> it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down?
>
> We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just
> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
> ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
>
> It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a proble m for them.
> BUT,whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> Really work. Please read on and join with us!
>
> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2. 00 is super
> cheap. Me too! It is currently $2. 98 for regular unleaded in my town.
>
> Now that the oil companies and th e OPEC nations have conditioned us to
> think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1. 50 - $1. 75, we
> need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
> marketplace. . not sellers.
>
> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to
> take action.
>
> The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit
> someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do
> that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
>
> How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.
>
> But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force
> a price war.
>
> Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
> f r om the two biggest companies (which now are one),EXX ONandMOBIL.
>
> If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their
> prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have
> to follo w suit.
>
> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me
> at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
> millions of people!!
>
> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least
> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more
> (300 x10 = 3,000)... and so on, by the time th e message reaches the
> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> consumers.
> If t hose three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
> each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
>
> If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION
> PEOPLE!!!
>
> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
>
> (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have
> to do is send this to 10 people... . Well, let's face it, you just
> aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.
>
> How long would all that take? If each of us sends th is e-mail out to
> ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
>
> I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
> Acting together we can make a difference.
>
> If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that
> we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2. 00
> RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>
>
> Keep it going!!!!
>
Got this in an email from a friend in Mich.
THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE
> CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1. 30 PER GALLON.
>
>
>
> This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his
> engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the
> gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take
> time to read this please.
>
> Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> campaign that was going around last April or May!
> It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
>
> I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4. 00 a gallon by next summer and
> it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down?
>
> We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just
> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
> ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
>
> It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a proble m for them.
> BUT,whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> Really work. Please read on and join with us!
>
> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2. 00 is super
> cheap. Me too! It is currently $2. 98 for regular unleaded in my town.
>
> Now that the oil companies and th e OPEC nations have conditioned us to
> think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1. 50 - $1. 75, we
> need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
> marketplace. . not sellers.
>
> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to
> take action.
>
> The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit
> someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do
> that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
>
> How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.
>
> But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force
> a price war.
>
> Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
> f r om the two biggest companies (which now are one),EXX ONandMOBIL.
>
> If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their
> prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have
> to follo w suit.
>
> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me
> at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
> millions of people!!
>
> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least
> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more
> (300 x10 = 3,000)... and so on, by the time th e message reaches the
> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> consumers.
> If t hose three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
> each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
>
> If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION
> PEOPLE!!!
>
> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
>
> (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have
> to do is send this to 10 people... . Well, let's face it, you just
> aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.
>
> How long would all that take? If each of us sends th is e-mail out to
> ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
>
> I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
> Acting together we can make a difference.
>
> If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that
> we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2. 00
> RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>
>
> Keep it going!!!!
>
I would like to point out that getting angry at the oil companies isn't the proper place to focus our energy. There is a group of people who set the price of oil that have never drilled a well or refined a gallon of gas. It is Wall Street and the other speculators around the world that set the price.
Yes the oil companies are making record profits but that is because Americans are buying record amounts of fuel. If you want to get some of that money back buy their stock!!!!!
This next quote may also be helpful.
Edward
Yes the oil companies are making record profits but that is because Americans are buying record amounts of fuel. If you want to get some of that money back buy their stock!!!!!
This next quote may also be helpful.
Edward
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Robert,
I no longer subscribe to Car & Driver so will look forward to reading your summary article.
Harvey
donnier, interestingly coherent chain email letter.....
As far as what to do and how to approach this? Yeah, I do not think that bashing big oil is going to do anything. I think there are 3 focuses.
1. Bio fuels to be produced and farm land to be used for it.
2. Confront the folks on wall street for the crazy predictions.
3. Suggest to big oil to shift production toward diesel to even out the prices and supply.
I'll start work on a website setup this weekend. I'm still looking for suggestions as to what todo about a site style and no one has come forward to offer and web design talents to the project.
As far as what to do and how to approach this? Yeah, I do not think that bashing big oil is going to do anything. I think there are 3 focuses.
1. Bio fuels to be produced and farm land to be used for it.
2. Confront the folks on wall street for the crazy predictions.
3. Suggest to big oil to shift production toward diesel to even out the prices and supply.
I'll start work on a website setup this weekend. I'm still looking for suggestions as to what todo about a site style and no one has come forward to offer and web design talents to the project.
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