What does a Bobcat weigh? Saw a Nissan towing one!

[Udaloy]

I'm really getting sick and tired of people standing on their soap box telling others what their truck can and cannot pull. If you want to limit yourself to what the bean counters and lawyers contrive is safe, go right ahead, but move on already.

 

[JJuday]

It's all in how you spread out the load. Dodge Dakotas and Brillion Cultimulchers don't mesh well at all! Dad and I bought one in Leesburg Ind. and went to get it with the old 88' Dakota that we had for a while. It should have sent up a red flag to us when I myself was able to lift the tongue with no trouble at all. The rear rollers were so heavy that there was almost no tongue weight on the trailer hitch of the truck, and I use the term truck very loosly in refering to the Dakota! Any way we didn't even make it a mile from Polks and the rear end of the truck started to get squirelly on us as the Cultimulcher was wanting to push us all over SR. 15. On coming traffic didn't appreciate us being in their lane at all! :-laf It was 20 mph the rest of the way home and it took us about 3 and a half hours to do what should have taken us 45 min. to do in a 3/4 ton or bigger. The morrel of the story is just because you can handle the load dosen't the truck can!





03' 2500 QC, H. O. 6spd. 4X4, Graphite, Putnam Hide-a-Goose.

66' D500 Dump truck, 318 Wide.

66' Allis-Chalmers HD-4 Dozer, 6-way blade, NA 200 c. i. diesel. 60hp.

 

[BrianJ]

In response to Tim's post and trying to keep to the subject matter at hand, I believe I was quite clear in targeting my response to published ratings considering the market segment of ½ tons. There are a myriad of calculations that one can and should go through to assure a safe and proper tow set up, including the relationship of GVWR, actual vehicle weight, GCWR, trailer actual weight, and trailer GVWR. There are way too many variables for the various setups one might use this for to go into specifics. If it works for you and your situation, great, if not and you’re not in the market for a ½ ton, so be it. I was quite specific as well to the ability to tow a 5-7k bobcat, as how this thread started.



Here is more information specific to the Titan for consideration.

GVWR 6,522

Weight 5,460 (as tested by Trailer life on a well equipped 4x4 unit, two passengers, & full fuel)

Payload as tested 1,062

Curb weight (4x4 without passengers) 5,106

Max payload 1,416

GCWR 14,822

Max tow rating as tested 9,362

Hitch weight max 930



The limitations here (Payload, hitch weight, & GCWR) are actually fairly consistent with all topping out at approximately 9,300 lbs tow capacity, considering 10% (930lb) tongue weight. Actual truck weight (5,460) plus trailer weight (9,300) equals 14,760, which is just below the GCWR of 14,822. Tongue weight of 930 comes in less than the available payload of 1,062. Does this work for your particular situation, probably not, but it wasn’t the point of this thread. Everybody’s situation is different and some people may just need to pull that 7k bobcat or travel trailer.



As far as Nissan is concerned, it’s no secret that Nissan builds some of the best gas engines in the world, constantly winning awards from the likes of Wards and auto publications. A ½ ton truck might not be the right tool for the job for you personally, but it doesn’t mean that it is not a very solid option for those who are in that market. If you don’t like Nissan that’s fine and just your opinion, but it doesn’t mean it is not a very stout truck for its intended market. It’s not meant to compete against ¾ ton or 1 ton trucks.

 

[JHardwick]

I don't really think anyone in KY pays ANY attention to the factory ratings. I know in some states they watch it pretty close, but not here. . I have seen some coal trucks and that type of vehicle being weighed, but I have NEVER heard of anyone in a pickup truck being checked and or fined for being overloaded. . That said, you guys would be surprised what some half tons can do if you are not worried about a liability sticker. . :-laf I'm not saying it's smart, but it happens. .

That's cause yer from Keyntuckie, LOL, they don't even require tags on trailers do they? I'm only 45 minutes or so from the river here in southern Ohio.

 

[JHardwick]

This is funny... . I was driving through the imperial valley last year pulling a 24ft gooseneck with 4 horses and a ton of tack and camping gear when an F250 pulling a travel trailer lined up next to me at a stop light. The race was on... . and the cummins prevailed!! Oo. The horses were a little "wide-eyed" when I got to the competition I was headed to, but nobody got hurt.

Ummmm, I don't do that anymore.



I headed up a slight grade from a light with a Ford/travel trailer beside me and 3 horses in my slant load Exiss. He wanted to play so I obliged him. When I was really pouring to coals in 3rd or 4th I hit one of those expansion joints that are hooved up and way past time to repair ... ... ..... the rear end felt like it was coming out of the truck!



Anyway, I took him up the hill, but got "one of those looks" from the passenger seat :{



We got to camp and started unloading horses, when we saw that my girlfriends gelding had busted his eye on the drop down feed gate. He had a decent little gash, but it healed fine. My girlfriend didn't heal, LOL, I drive like I got a load of eggs with the horses now

 

[JeffWhite]

just curious, what do those little miniature track hoe's weigh, it was

a Japanese sounding name, OK-something. Was being pulled on one of

those cheap made, cookie-cutter 16' trailers everybody and his brother

has got around here. Looked like the tires were rubbing at the top, they

were leaning in so bad. Old Chevy 1/2 ton pulling it. After I looked it over,

I backed WAY off just in case... Worst thing I ever saw was a Chevy Luv

diesel with the same type of trailer, leaving a machine shop with some

shafts for a gravel quarry conveyor on it. Biggest shaft weighed 990 lbs,

another over 700, and six more smaller ones, all probably over 400, and

another pallet of steel parts on it too - hooked to a diamond tread step

bumper, tilted downward at about 45 degrees from previous overloads :--)

 

[Grizzly]

Whatever it weighs, I'd be willing to bet that the combined weight of trailer and bobcat is more than any Nissan or Toyota is rated to tow.



I can count on one hand how many times I've seen a Nissan or Toyota with a trailer, though.

Everything you say is hogwash. Don't put down Nissan and Toyota. They are actually rated at very impressive payload and hauling capacity. I have personal experience with Toyota and they are great. They also have good powertrains. Another thing, Toyota is not alway breaking down like Furd and Chevy.

 

[Cooker]

My trailer, which would be the minimum acceptable trailer in length and capacity to have a skid steer on, weighs 3,080 lbs empty. That leaves 6320 lbs for the skid steer, assuming your math is correct. That is assuming also that you have the proper weight distributing hitch, and further assuming that 1,000 + lbs of tongue weight isn't going to overload that little Nissan's GVWR.

There are other well built trailers out there that will easily and safely haul a 700 series Bobcat that do not weight 3000lbs. Why is your's the gold standard that others should be judged off of?



Tim I will admit I didn't understand why everyone was jumping on you so bad on the other thread, but after your post here it makes a little more sense to me now.



BrianJones, an excellent reply.

 

[Grizzly]

Where do you arrive at a 9400 lb tow rating?



Me personally, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Japanese truck anyway, especially a Nissan. Even a Toyota would be better. Regardless, I am done towing with 1/2 ton vehicles. That stuff is for the misinformed.













Tim, what do you have against Japanese trucks? Maybe you don't like Japanese people. Maybe you don't like other people. One thing is for sure, your are so full of cr__!!!!

 

[Tim]

Because my whole life, the only "real" trucks have been from Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. That will never change for me, and that is just my opinion. It has nothing to do with Japanese people or any of that.



How much does a 700 series skid steer weigh?

 

[Tim]

Everything you say is hogwash.

Opinion

Don't put down Nissan and Toyota.

I didn't put down anything. I said I wouldn't own one. I don't care to own a Japanese truck.

They are actually rated at very impressive payload and hauling capacity.

Opinion



One that I agree with, however. I do feel that they have impressive payload and tow ratings, but I still don't think they have sufficient capacity to tow a skid steer without being overloaded.

I have personal experience with Toyota and they are great. They also have good powertrains. .

I have personal experience with Toyota, too. My mom's car is a complete piece of crap and has been since the day she bought it. That doesn't mean all Toyotas are crap, but I have absolutely no interest in owning a Japanese truck. That is my opinion and I'll admit to that. I have no interest in owning one because it doesn't fit my needs.

Another thing, Toyota is not alway breaking down like Furd and Chevy

Not opinion this time, but false fact. Chevy makes, statistically proven for the last 25+ years, the most dependable, longest lasting trucks on the road. (fact) Ford has sold more trucks since 1975 than all the Japanese manufacturs combined, and more annually than GM or Dodge. (fact) To say that they're, "alway breaking down" is, to use your term, hogwash. I would say unsubstantiated, or nonsense, or simply false fact.

 

[Cooker]

How much does a 700 series skid steer weigh?

Elite1 posted the weights of his 700 series Bobcats

"My Bobcat # 743 is 60"w x 76"h, 4730 lbs.

My Bobcat # 763,is 66"w x 77"h, 5370 lbs. "



I own a 7753 which according to Bobcat weighs 5457 lbs.



As far as trailers are concerned, MacLander is a highly respected trailer in my neck of the woods. They are certainly one of the best built trailers that I have seen and they have a price tag that matches the quality of the trailer. Their 14' "Skid Steer" series trailer with a GVWR of 9,990 weighs in at 2300-2400 lbs. Their 16' "Skid Steer" series trailer with a GVWR of 9,900 weighs in at just over 2600 lbs.



I have no doubt your 3,000 lb trailer is well built and could haul a 5500 lb skidsteer without worries, but you certainly can do it safely with a lighter trailer.

 

[Elite1]

Elite1 posted the weights of his 700 series Bobcats

"My Bobcat # 743 is 60"w x 76"h, 4730 lbs.

My Bobcat # 763,is 66"w x 77"h, 5370 lbs. "



I own a 7753 which according to Bobcat weighs 5457 lbs.

Of course you have to add in the weight of the trailer and chains/binder.

 

[Tim]

You need a minimum of a 10,000 lb GVWR trailer to pull that. It will weigh at least 2500 lbs. That means you're at 8,000 lbs. I suppose that is reasonable as long as the 9400 lb towing rating is legit. I'd say that's a rather light skid steer though.

 

[WGibbs]

One time I saw an older Nissan hardbody compact pickup with a 16' tagalong dual axle trailer behind it, and on the trailer was a fullsize K5 Blazer with about 8" of lift and 39" tires. The *** end of the Nissan was about touching the ground, the trailer was too small for the load, and he had no trailer brakes. I have no idea how he pulled that thing or how he stopped. Shoot, the trailer alone weighed more than the truck. Talk about too much tail for the dog



Will

 

[Grizzly]

Opinion

Chevy makes, statistically proven for the last 25+ years, the most dependable, longest lasting trucks on the road. (fact) Ford has sold more trucks since 1975 than all the Japanese manufacturs combined, and more annually than GM or Dodge. (fact) To say that they're, "alway breaking down" is, to use your term, hogwash. I would say unsubstantiated, or nonsense, or simply false fact.

You are missing the boat little man, Chevy and Ford haven't made anything good since about 1972 and even then they weren't as good as Dodge. On the other hand the Japanese are getting better every year, especially Toyota and Honda. If Toyota made a truck big enough and strong enough, with a diesel, to haul my cab-over camper, I would have bought one when I bought my 05 Dodge DRW. They are working on a dually, complete with diesel. I didn't wait because of the income tax write off that ended with tax year 2004 and because of the killer incentives on the 05 and because of the high value on my 95 Dodge DRW, which I sold on my own. Your trailer is not that big nor heavy. I belive a Toyota Trunda with a 4. 7 liter V-8, 6 speed, would handle it fine.

 

[Tim]

You are missing the boat little man, Chevy and Ford haven't made anything good since about 1972 and even then they weren't as good as Dodge. On the other hand the Japanese are getting better every year, especially Toyota and Honda. If Toyota made a truck big enough and strong enough, with a diesel, to haul my cab-over camper, I would have bought one when I bought my 05 Dodge DRW. They are working on a dually, complete with diesel. I didn't wait because of the income tax write off that ended with tax year 2004 and because of the killer incentives on the 05 and because of the high value on my 95 Dodge DRW, which I sold on my own. Your trailer is not that big nor heavy. I belive a Toyota Trunda with a 4. 7 liter V-8, 6 speed, would handle it fine.

I'm glad you feel that way. I do not. Everything you say is a matter of opinion. Statistics prove otherwise. Dodge was having such a hard time selling trucks in the '70s and '80s the government had to bail them out while GM and Ford were setting new records for truck sales. Dodge STILL hasn't made a real crew cab, 2006 is the first year for it. GM started in 1977 and Ford had one earlier than that I believe.



How many 1985 Dodge trucks do you see on the road? How about Ford and Chevy? I'd say for every one Dodge, I see at least 25 fords, and 50 chevys that old on the road. Registrations prove otherwise.



I'm glad everyone is all happy about the Japanese trying to compete. Teh only reason I'm happy about that, is that competition will make the American trucks better. Like I said before, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Toyota or Nissan, especially pulling something. To me that is still a joke, and will always be a joke.

 

[67guzzler]

I read somewhere that if you combine GMC light truck sales with Chevrolet light truck sales, they beat Ford in light truck sales.

 

[Tim]

I read somewhere that if you combine GMC light truck sales with Chevrolet light truck sales, they beat Ford in light truck sales.

That is true for many years, but not all. It goes back and forth.

 

[Grizzly]

I'm glad everyone is all happy about the **** trying to compete. Teh only reason I'm happy about that, is that competition will make the American trucks better. Like I said before, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Toyota or Nissan, especially pulling something. To me that is still a joke, and will always be a joke.

Just the fact that you called Japanese, "Japs", make me think that you don't like minorities. If that is true, then you are a real **.



Just because Ford and Chevy sold more trucks doesn't mean that they are better, you fool. I know truck of the 60th through present and Dodge has made the best engines and a very reliable truck. Maybe no bells and goodies nor real comfort, but reliable, yes. Best engines were the 440, 318 and the 360. If you don't know what you are talking about, it is best to keep your mouth shut. Dodge invented the Club Cab you know, not Ford or Chevy.









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