Cummnzpowr said:
LOL Grizzly for once i agree with you. . sheesh...
Gary:So what is wrong with a clean burning diesel?We should be working on ways to make power and clean them up at the same time,that is where the world is going,and if don't move with it,we will lose our hobby... so instead of hiding and dodging bullets that the EPA fires at us,why not confront the problem?
First, I dunno what it is Grizzly posted - he's LONG since resided in my "Ignore" bucket with a dozen others who long since displayed the basic desire and intent to only participate in my threads to antagonize, attack and irritate - a pity THEY are too ignorant to themselves use that ignore function if my stuff distresses them so much...
NOW, as to "What's wrong... " - nothing - as long as a reasonable balance of programs and goals are used - and enough common sense to not throw the baby out with the bathwater! In many ways, the EPA and companion Sierra Club ARE the "problem" - and this thread in at least a small way IS about "confronting them", before they start, rather than after!
Unfortunately, EPA and support groups like the Sierra Club have LONG displayed the willingness - perhaps EAGERNESS - to carelessly damage and obstruct our manufacturers and whoever of our society is necessary to accomplish their goals.
This has in the past included owners of vehicles they grandly select and proclaim to be "gas guzzlers" - and others that fall below specific age limits - these targeted vehicles are selectively targeted, demonized (remember SUV's?) - and ultimately legislated to be removed from their owners, and diverted to junkyards and crushers - in the name of "clean air" and "Political correctness".
Some collector car owners, customizers and similar specialty car groups have found themselves and the vehicles they have poured many 10's of thousands of dollars into at risk with no regard for the condition, function and purpose of their vehicles.
Then there has been the reformulated gasolines of past decades that we were forced to accept - even with the clear knowledge and public admission of the EPA that they fully KNEW that fuel would damage valves and seats in older vehicle engines - many of which were owned by folks down low enough in the economic scale as to face serious difficulty in repairing their current vehicle, or trading for a later model.
We've seen domestic auto makers, facing increasing stiffer overseas competition, and rising production costs in this country, export their production - and JOBS - outside our borders, and even now the 3 we still have at least based here, are on the economic ropes. Just add even more stringent and oppressive EPA legislation and manufacturing expense, and what happens to those factories and workers?
Sure, perhaps they will breathe better - but what will they eat?
For, The EPA, Sierra Club, and similar "do good" groups don't care WHO gets hurt, who's jobs evaporate, or what businesses suffer or go under - AS LONG AS they get their way, obtain THEIR goals, and can lead our political system - and our society - around by the nose.
They have done enough poorly thought out damage during these past years when they were somewhat the underdogs - but that time is past, the floodgates are open, and, apparently, their sympathizers would prefer we just look the other way and pretend all is well, and simply wait until AFTER the new environmental laws and controls are passed before we think about the potential effects we may well be facing.
YUP - slumber on - no worries until the man with the star comes to YOUR house with the paperwork that forces YOU to either pay whatever amount the EPA dictates to bring your vehicles into compliance, or else take your vehicle off the road - regardless of your financial circumstances, or the actual environmental "benefits" to be obtained - as Alfred Newman sez - "What, ME worry?"...
And finally, to the "Grizzlys" of the board - if all you have to submit here is childish personal insult and disruption, why don't you just go play in someone else's sandbox?
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