What if they found Noah's Ark, would it change your faith?

[klenger]

I believe that Noah's flood happened, and that the ark landed on Mt Arrarat as described in the Bible. Whether it is still there after all these thousands of years is anyone's guess. For all we know, the wood may have been burned for firewood after the flood, or spit out the bottom of a glacier after a thousand years of so.



In any case, whether you are currently a beliver or not, if hard evidence of the ark was found (it would be hard to fake), would it change your faith?

 

[jmtandem]

Noah's ark?

During World War II from an aerial recon plane an item believed by many to be the remains of Noah's ark was found in Turkey. It is very difficult to get to. If I recall the skeltal remains of a big boat were mostly intact at about the 18,000 foot level. How or why would anybody else have built a boat and set it that high on the mountain unless it was the Ark?

 

[bmoeller]

Supposedly, some guy and his son found it. Where it is at on the mountian, it is normally covered in snow or ice. Said they had taken some measurements of it. Sounded like it had broken in two, and the one half slid down a little ways, and that it was in atherwise OK condition from the ice helping to preserve it.

 

[patrobertson]

Problem is...

I have been doing some reading, and I have found that no matter if they found Noah's ark, (which the Bible says landed in the ararat mountains somewhere, not specifically mount Ararat) that Evolution is a religious belief, there is no proof for it, people claim "millions of years ago" well doesn't add up, but our society does not want to live with the idea of a Just God who has standards and consequences for sin, and that we are not in control, the idea of God is nice to the everyone but He doesn't have any real power. But the world points to a Creator, not "billions of years". Its also interesting to know that Hawaian and Chineese cultures both have accounts of the flood.



Shane

 

[schu777]

Would it change my faith? Nope - I already believe that it is true, just as it states in the bible. Whenever I listen to TV or here someone say "millions" or "billions" of years ago, I just laugh at that statement and then continue watching/listening.

 

[Rman]

Originally posted by schu777

Would it change my faith? Nope - I already believe that it is true, just as it states in the bible. Whenever I listen to TV or here someone say "millions" or "billions" of years ago, I just laugh at that statement and then continue watching/listening.

Just curious here... but what's so funny about millions and billions of years ago?

 

[MCummings]

millions and billions. It is funny.



Scientists can only prove ~7,500 years.



The Periodic table exsists NOWHERE on the earth, and in someplaces,, completely upside down.



Fossils would have easily been formed during the flood, and missing links could have never survived. Imagine a rat with the front legs/wings of a bat, and it's own rear legs, it couldn't crawl around to eat.



I think that 90% of the resembling missing links have been found false, or made up. usually, Arthritis, or a little boy with extra hair. The others are still pending investigations.



Either way, creation, and how we came about is not science.



Science is repeatable, with predictable results.



Creation is only a belief.



Did you know that scientists, while studying the time of man, cam up with a 24Hour period missing? From the begining, till now, and from now, to the begining, the times do not match up. There is 24Hours missing.

Anybody care to guess why?



Merrick Cummings Jr

 

[wcaldwell]

Joshua 10:13 "... . The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD listened to a man. "



There's another passage, I can't find it right now, where a man pleaded for longer life and asked for a sign from the Lord. The sign was that the sunlight would go backwards about 15 degrees.





Wayne

 

[Rman]

MCummings, you've lost me, could you kind of elaborate on exactly what your talking about. OR what exactly the point is you're trying to make. I feel like i missed the whole first part of what it was your saying.

 

[Hale on wheels]

Are these comments disproving evolutionary theory and the time it took the earth to form from your own research or just what you heard in Sunday School? I know my Sunday School teachers were not scientists, nor did they know much about the scientific method in general. They were told to believe God created us and scientists were wrong, and then passed that down to us.



I believe that God and science are most definately not mutually exclusive! Why is is so difficult for people to imagine that if God created the earth, why couldn't he create the laws of nature that govern our existance? And if that is acceptable, why is it hard to believe that the earth took billions of years to form. Remember, time is relative.

 

[patrobertson]

Hmm...

In regards to Sunday School and Scientists. The problem that I have is the the scientists have not brought any scientific evidence for "billions of years" for an evelutionary process. If the big bang happened than the earth was hot, got rained on for millions of years and there came a premordial soup which omebas and slime came out of and, for some, their relatives, so your saying you evolved from rocks, that, and there are no positive mutations, there are variations but a frog did not begat a dog, as a dog did not begat a cat. Or any dats, cogs, frats



As stated the periodic table, layers, does not exist anywhere, they date fossils by rocks, and rocks by fossils? And for trying to date stuff by whats found around it, well a brass bell was found inside a piece of coal, but coal is supposed to take hundreds of thousands of years to form. There are petrified trees with axe marks, petrified cowboy boots with the guys feet still in them.

Problem is we have become so indoctrinated that evolution is true we forgot to ask for proof, and because its "science" it must be right, but there is no "real" evidence.



The missing link Lucy, was 40% of a skeleton, had no feet or hands and the skull was crushed so badly it could not be reconstructed, so they put it back together as they imagined, put human hands and feet and said "GRANDMA" and taught it as fact.



I enjoy talking about this stuff so feel free to ask/ debate away. I'm always learning.



Shane

 

[MCummings]

Originally posted by rhickman

MCummings, you've lost me,

The point. Uh, Yah, the, er, point.



I guess I got off on a rant. Not really a point. I threw up some facts how evolution could not be all fact/truth, and some points how creation could be true.



Along with Sunday school. I have 6 years of schooling, along with numerous studies dealing with the argument of Creation vs. Evolution. I can go dig back in my books if you would like to me "quote my source". Only problem is, they are stuffed DEEP in the attic.



Merrick Cummings Jr

 

[Hale on wheels]

I love talking about this stuff too. I am not trying to say that evolution is fact, just stirring the pot a little. I know too many people that know nothing about the theory of evolution except what they have been told by other people and try to pass it off as the devil's plan to place doubt into our minds



With regards to the earth taking billions of years to form, I read a very good book by a physistst named Gerald L. Schroeder. The book was entitled The Science of God. I recommend it.

 

[wsmalley]

Would finding the ark change my faith? No, I already believe. I think it would be cool to find it, but I ain't worried about it.



I too have done some reading, and would have to dig hard to find a lot of my quotes. But I agree with what was said earlier: with all these missing links, how could the links have survived outside a controlled environment? They would be so unable to defend themselves there is no way they could have been better off than their predecessors. Or if humans are decendant from apes, WHY are there still apes around? Or why are rats still around if they evolved into bats? Or WHY don't we see it happening now?



Personally I prefer to believe that God created everything in it's own place from the heavens to the earth, and still thought to create me as a unique individual. It is certainly easier to believe that it all just HAPPENED to work out right.



You think CHANCE placed a planet so perfectly as to give us this temperate place, that if it were one degree farther foward or back we would either freeze to death or burn alive?



You think CHANCE placed the moon perfectly to control the tides, to the point where if it moved just a small percentage in it would drastically flood the continents?



Something to think about... science can only tell us HOW something happened, and even then only rarely is it proven. But remember: next time you flip on your lights, ask science to prove WHY they came on.



Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

 

[TxDieselKid]

Originally posted by MCummings

Along with Sunday school. I have 6 years of schooling, along with numerous studies dealing with the argument of Creation vs. Evolution. I can go dig back in my books if you would like to me "quote my source". Only problem is, they are stuffed DEEP in the attic.



Merrick Cummings Jr

Merrick,



You continue to amaze me friend.





Andrew

 

[Doc Tinker]

One thing I like to speculate on, about Noah's Flood, is what society must have been like during the age. According to the Bible, God was disgusted with the way man was acting, so he decided to wipe out everything and start over. If that is the case, the world must been rather rough, since God has not yet exterminated mankind for a second time. Since God promised not to get rid of us with a flood again, he will turn man into crispy critters instead, when we get naughty enough for him.



~ How long did it take for Noah, his wife and sons to round up a pair of all animal species that we know today, not to mention all of known and unknown extinct ones?

~ At the same time that they rounded up those animals, they had to farm for food for themselves and all those animals.

~ At the same time, they had to gather timber for the Ark and assemble it, and it wasn't no row boat either.

~ All of the above had to be done without help from their neighbors, because they all stood around and laughed while all this work was going on.



I believe that the Flood happened. I also believe that there was some kind of technology, at the time, that Noah used to get all that done.





Doc

 

[tpruitt]

Has anyone ever wondered why there are two flood stories. Both have to do with Noah but one flood last for 150 days and nights and one last for 40 days and night. Also the amount of animals. The story with 40 days and nights has one pair of animals and the 150 day and night has 7 pairs but only on truly clean pair. These are kind of like the 2 creation stories one with Adam and Eve and one creation of the earth in 7 days. I am in a religion class now and this is the sort of stuff we are talking about. Maybe i can take this in and get some credit for it.



Trey

 

[illflem]

Almost every culture on earth irregardless of their religion has a several thousand year old flood myth with a vessel similar to Noah's.

The flood had to have happened or the story wouldn't be so widespread.

Ice melting at the end of the last age is said to have raised the ocean several hundred feet. It was cold then, people lived at lower elevations, most likely they were flooded out. Don't think it happened overnight though.



Another theory with Noah's flood in the Mid-East region was a large earthquake that drained the Black Sea in the matter of a few days. There is geologic and archeological evidence of this.

 

[Rman]

I think science is quite a bit farther along then many of you give credit for. Although i majored in computer science, i took a couple "electives" and one was paleobiology. The science of looking at fossils and studying early animals. My teacher was quite eccentric and absolutely loved his job, he was truly a student himself because every weekend he went looking for fossils. Anyways he had quite interesting lectures on evolution and how things(us and the earth) came to be.



I could go quote sources and rebutte almost everything i've heard, just like Merrick could go find his sources and rebutte everything i say. However, i don't feel passionately enough about it to care. I'll just read on for some more gee whiz info on what others believe.



Isn't there a science where they try to bring evolution and creationism together. It had a funky name and was gaining popularity last i read. Ok Bill, your chance to chime in with the answer! Pull it out of your abyss of answers buried under your basement. Especially among the religious zealots that insist on forcing down a kid throat at a public school. No offense guys, but people on both sides of this argument take it too far when it comes to public education.



Oh yeah about the light thing... what exactly do you mean by why?



Since one's intent was to see, they turned the switch causing the chain reaction of physics generating the light. What's more to ask... just curious?

 

[tntway]

ok guys and gals. . its been very interesting and exciting reading this thread but to answer the question.....



Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour... ... THAT will NEVER change.



nuff said