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I've been getting quite a few emails asking what a KDP is so thought I'd let more folks know.





Timing Case Dowel Pin



In the back of the timing gear case, there is an assembly index pin pressed into a hole. Some holes do not fit tightly around the pin and the pin can vibrate out of the hole, then fall into the gear train. The pin is then rattled around by the timing gears until it either falls into the oil pan, gets kicked out through the side of the timing case, or passes through gear train bending the camshaft and ruining the gears and case. A small number of 12 Valve engines have encountered this problem but the repair is very costly.



Response from Cummins on this matter



"The timing pin diameter from the supplier and the hole drilled for the pin, are designed to be 'press fit' dimensions. In some rare cases, the supplied timing pin dimension and the drilled hole dimension, may not provide the correct 'press fit'. During assembly line manufacturing, it is impossible to determine the amount of 'press fit' between the pin and the drilled hole, once the pin is installed into the bore.



A few of the pins have not had the correct 'press fit' in the drilled hole and have worked out of the hole. This does cause extensive damage to the gears and gear cover. The percentage of failure is very, very low and did not justify a major recall campaign of all engines. If an unexpected failure should occur during the warranty period of the engine, the repair will be handled under normal warranty practices.



Early in 1998 the gear cover was changed to a 'blind hole' design, which would not let the dowel pin move out of the bore. If you have a great fear of this pin coming out, we suggest discussing this issue with your local Dodge dealer or Cummins distributor, to determine the appropriate action in each situation.



The pin itself can be replaced if desired or Locktite can be used to hold it in place, without having to replace the pin or gear housing assembly.



Inspection and securing of the timing pin:



1. Remove the damper, pulley and gear cover from front of engine.



2. Tap on the dowel pin with a flat punch to insure that it is seated in the bore.



3. Clean all the oil from area with solvent and dry completely.



4. Apply some wicking type Locktite on the dowel pin and housing and let the Locktite cure.



5. Reinstall the cover with a new seal and gasket.



6. Reinstall damper and pulley.



We hope this helps you understand the dowel issue better. "

signed Cummins



Members here are a picky lot and don't trust Cummins' Loc-Tite fix. The two ways of preventing the pin escaping are the jig fix and tab fix. Both methods work equally well and have their own advantages. The jig fix is faster, easier and basically free, read about how to get a jig in the thread at the top of the 12 valve forum. The tab fix also allows you to tighten any loose bolts under the case cover and you can do it on your own time, no need to wait for a jig and pass it on to the next user. You do have to buy new seals and it takes longer than the jig fix. For info on the tab fix contact Joe G at -- email address removed -- for excellent instructions.
 
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Bill. Have you heard any thing about late 98. 5/99 engines having problems with the KDP? I think Steve St. Lurent (sorry Steve for the miss spelling) did the KDP on his truck.



I wonder if someone has a range of VIN's for the 24v that might be in trouble.
 
Barry, I've never heard of a 24 valve failure but according to a mechanic at Cummins NW the old style cover was used on some of the '98. 5 and '99 engines, though the pin fit problem was corrected. You decide.
 
I am guessing that I will go with the route of the 12 valve guys. I really dont want the front of my engine comming apart. I guess a call to M Barnett is in the making. I had the jig here in BR and did my brothers 96' 3500. A few others here in BR did the fix.



Thanks Bill...



My 99... got it 9-19-98... . yeah a very early 99
 
So, in early '98 they fixed the problem? my truck was made in 11-97, so does this mean I should look into doing the fix? Or I might be safe with it as is? Only have 81k on the truck.
 
Thanks, I'll do it soon. Noticed the other night changing the oil, that seal for that cover on the front is starting to seep a bit any way. Gotta change the seal, might as well do the kdp also.
 
One last question (for now)

Sorry to be a nuisance, but wife wanted to know if doing the fix would void whats left on the warranty? I see it as preventive maintanence and would assume D/C are fine with us fixing their problem and keeping it from getting out of hand, thus requiring a recall. That would cost them a bundle.

I am lucky enough to live within a few minutes of REBEL who can show me the way.
 
I don't see how it could effect your warranty, but they can void it for other than stock tires if they want to. Both the tab and jig fix are impossible to see without taking things apart. I personally would rather have the warranty voided from containing the KDP than have it fail in the middle of nowhere on my vacation and then have to have a dealer do the repair.
 
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These days ... tampering with anything . . can affect your warranty ... talk to your service advisor ... be careful! If DC can see where the engine was tampered with ... . count your warranty VOID
 
I agree they'll find any way at all to void the warranty. I've had that problem before on different vehicles. I suppose that nobody has had problems resulting in needing dealer work done as a result of the kdp fix, either one. Thanks for the advise:)
 
I was showing my wife the pics in Joe G's post (thanks Joe) and she looked at the last one and said "What, no beer cans?". :-laf
 
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I was showing my wife the pics in Joe G's post (thanks Joe) and she looked at the last one and said "What, no beer cans?". :-laf



note that he did say that was an overview of the project, NOT a step by step procedure. That must have meant the only thing he left out was the beer break in between each step he noted:D
 
I have a 98 12v and just got KDP'D at 92K. I took it to the local dealer in Wheatland WY, (best service department I have ever run across) and it was fixed under warranty :) . My question is, is the fix from the dealer going to be a good fix or should I get a jig?





















98 2500 ex cab, 5sp, green and silver Banks and straights w/o silencer ring and
 
Do you know what they did to fix it? There are three generally accepted ways to do it. 1) Replace the gear case with one that has a stepped hole to block the KDP. 2) Make and install a "tab" to block the KDP. 3) Use the jig to drill and tap the gear case to install a screw that blocks the KDP. There is also a method that uses "wicking" LocTite to hold the KDP. I'm not sure I would trust the last one. If you don't know what they did it's a good idea to ask them.
 
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