What mods we can hide from dealerships?

[JDerbedrossian]

thats correct but the ecm stores max and min values when a plugin box is used, only a few can see that, a typical down loader will leave an obvious foot print. the smarty has over come that problem according to marco and bob. the voided waranty i was talking about in other posts was loaded with several other performance mods, so the smarty may not have had anything to do with it.

OOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo, that must of hurt, as soon as bob wagner layed the lumber you retracted-re worded your statment. Be carefull what you claim you have a good name around here, so lets keep it that way. Cheers.



Jake.

 

[Diesel Power]

OOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo, that must of hurt, as soon as bob wagner layed the lumber you retracted-re worded your statment. Be carefull what you claim you have a good name around here, so lets keep it that way. Cheers.



Jake.

it's not that he layed the lumber, bob accually called me and we spoke about smarty and the posts and all was well, i called him back asking that we both delet our posts, as it is a conflict of interest for us both. and that it would cause a problem with other members later, which is not what we want, i was just stateing what i was told, i later got more details on that truck. so the smarty is safe untill proven guilty :-laf

 

[MMead]

Everyone quit with the sob stories of morality, I think its clear and been documented quite often I might add on here that DC uses the mod excuse to void peoples warranty just because they did a mod on the truck with no proof that mod caused the issue, I think all of us would just like to be delt with fairly, this is becoming less of a practice with DC. the man just asked which mods can't be seen by the dealer, he didn't ask for a lesson on right or wrong, maybe he is just curious and wants to know for himself. who knows but the fact remains its not our job to teach the guy right from wrong

I bet you would be singing a different tune if someone hired your carpet company to clean their carpet but didn't want to pay for it.



Please notice that I referred to situations where the modification caused the need for warranty work. And yes, I too would like to be dealt with fairly - I just happen to think paying for other's modification troubles is not very fair. If "9 Lives" modifications are unrelated to the engine issues he is having then I hope that his dealer fixes the problem without playing games with him.

 

[DPKetchum]

Differant scene. Its late 60s early 1970s. Cars are selling faster then a egg can fry. LOTS of muscle cars. The MANUFACTURES turned their heads every Monday morning to the busted cranks,shredded flex plates,broke Muncie trannys. Some of these autos still had the shoe polish numbers on the windshields. Reps bought these repairs with nary a second glance. THEN gas crunch. Sales fell off like waiting for snow in Death Valley. WARRANTY MONEY DRYS UP! They go back to whats written in the owners warranty manual no more no less(less if they could) If sales were booming and Dodge Diesels with leather and all the goodys sold for STICKER(once they were) they'd turn a head to such mods again. I'm old enough(just barely)to have seen it then and now.

 

[DieselFiend]

Differant scene. Its late 60s early 1970s. Cars are selling faster then a egg can fry. LOTS of muscle cars. The MANUFACTURES turned their heads every Monday morning to the busted cranks,shredded flex plates,broke Muncie trannys. Some of these autos still had the shoe polish numbers on the windshields. Reps bought these repairs with nary a second glance. THEN gas crunch. Sales fell off like waiting for snow in Death Valley. WARRANTY MONEY DRYS UP! They go back to whats written in the owners warranty manual no more no less(less if they could) If sales were booming and Dodge Diesels with leather and all the goodys sold for STICKER(once they were) they'd turn a head to such mods again. I'm old enough(just barely)to have seen it then and now.

Very true!

 

[DieselFiend]

I bet you would be singing a different tune if someone hired your carpet company to clean their carpet but didn't want to pay for it.



Please notice that I referred to situations where the modification caused the need for warranty work. And yes, I too would like to be dealt with fairly - I just happen to think paying for other's modification troubles is not very fair. If "9 Lives" modifications are unrelated to the engine issues he is having then I hope that his dealer fixes the problem without playing games with him.

When was the last time you heard of DC going an extra mile to prove a modification caused damage. Name at least one. I'll bet you can't. If they even get a sniff of a mod they void the entire warranty. This is crap.

And, what if you got your carpet cleaned and the cleaner left dirt from his shoes on the way out. When you approach him about it says, "prove it was me that did it?" and refuses to fix it. The burden of proof is no longer on the side of the consumer as the law entails. DC has the ball and they put it wherever they want.

 

[BillDriscoll]

I'm with Viper on this. Its up to the dealer to prove the mod caused the problem, thats the law. I also believe they need to notify you in writting of the warranty being voided. Clicking a box in there computer, doesn't get it.

I personally don't give a rats ***** what anyone else does to their truck, because it's THEIR truck. They paid for it. This stealing thing is a bit of a strech in my opinion. Maybe everytime we go over the speed limit or tow something too heavy we should call DC and ask them to void our warranty, cause we abused the truck. Maybe we could get reward points towards our next purchase by turning people in!!



If you bomb the engine and that causes a problem, you loose your engine warranty, but If you bomb the engine and your tail lights stop working or your tail gate handel falls off, your whole truck warranty should not be voided. If I put in a EGR gauge and a transmission temp gauge, should my warranty get voided if thats the only mod I've made to the truck?? We've heard about it on here. maybe its BS and then again, maybe its not.



I guess the aftermarket guys are going to have to help us out, specially the 7yr/70K mile warranties, of which im one. I'll bet that part of the cost that we pay for the vehicle is to cover warranty service. If they void the whole warranty, talk about stealing!!







BillD

 

[Diesel Power]

i know for a fact that DC is reading every word of this, the net is good but also bad, watch what you inform them of---there just going to make it harder and harder for us to mod our trucks. after a while banks will be the only company around with enough money to engineer performance products for us.

 

[Bob Wagner]

the same thing was being said back in 2000. we own our trucks and diesel performance will continue.



out of all the trucks produced, diesel performance is a small segment.

 

[Diesel Power]

the same thing was being said back in 2000. we own our trucks and diesel performance will continue.



out of all the trucks produced, diesel performance is a small segment.

true but, the evidence of it being impossible was not there in 2000, but in 2007 and later it is... ... ... ... .

 

[DieselFiend]

i know for a fact that DC is reading every word of this, the net is good but also bad, watch what you inform them of---there just going to make it harder and harder for us to mod our trucks. after a while banks will be the only company around with enough money to engineer performance products for us.

How do you know for a fact DC reads this stuff? I really don't think they waste their time with it. Just curious how you know though.

 

[Diesel Power]

How do you know for a fact DC reads this stuff? I really don't think they waste their time with it. Just curious how you know though.

because DC advertises for diesel owners to go to tdr, my dealership told me about tdr.

reguardless, they are not stupid

 

[BillDriscoll]

I hope their reading this so DC can finally: DO THE SOFTWARE UPDATE OR WHATEVER, FOR 2005 AUTO transmission, so I can get a jake brake... ... ..... !!!! LOL come on guys!! Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[RobertP]

i do also know that dc knows all about this site. i have many chrysler reps that i see on a daily basis who i have held conversations about tdr with. i did not start the conversation either. they saw my sticker.



if dc wanted to find out if there was any downloader or box of any sort they would find out. dont ask me how thats just what they have told me. that came from my reginal reps mouth.

 

[DieselFiend]

i do also know that dc knows all about this site. i have many chrysler reps that i see on a daily basis who i have held conversations about tdr with. i did not start the conversation either. they saw my sticker.



if dc wanted to find out if there was any downloader or box of any sort they would find out. dont ask me how thats just what they have told me. that came from my reginal reps mouth.

That doesn't sound right. For TDR to give out your personal information, they would have to have a warrent. They couldn't just call up TDR and say I wanna find out if this guy has a mod. Do you think TDR would give up that information willingly? Nope...

 

[elandon1201]

That doesn't sound right. For TDR to give out your personal information, they would have to have a warrent. They couldn't just call up TDR and say I wanna find out if this guy has a mod. Do you think TDR would give up that information willingly? Nope...

They just look at what you say and the MODS listeted in your sig

 

[Diesel Power]

They just look at what you say and the MODS listeted in your sig

exactly we say way to much on here

 

[RobertP]

That doesn't sound right. For TDR to give out your personal information, they would have to have a warrent. They couldn't just call up TDR and say I wanna find out if this guy has a mod. Do you think TDR would give up that information willingly? Nope...

i never said anything about tdr giving any info out. i just stated that DC knows about this site. and if they wanted to find out if anything has been on your truck they could do so by either using the drb3 or the starscan. they have asked our shop to actually take an ecm out and send it to them to do some testing on it.



as a matter of fact that particular truck is still in the shop getting a entire fuel system put in it. due to alot of water in the fuel, which dc is not covering. the customers insurance is.

 

[JStieger]

That doesn't sound right. For TDR to give out your personal information, they would have to have a warrent. They couldn't just call up TDR and say I wanna find out if this guy has a mod. Do you think TDR would give up that information willingly? Nope...

Look under your user profile... it shows your last name. If you list where you are from, then just go to www.whitepages.com and one can look up your address and telephone number.



If I need to go into a dealership, then I just go. I just tell them up front if they look under the hood, they will see it is not stock! I also tell them if the mod has caused the issue, I will pay the bill. This just pre-empts a lecture and 99. 9% of the time they are pretty interested and cool about the stuff.

 

[BStoecker]

If I were to guess, DCX knows exactly what to look for in the stored data to be able to tell if just about anything has been done to a truck. I don't know offhand what parameters are stored, but I'm guessing boost levels, fuel pressure, etc... If they know the max fuel pressure that a stock truck can produce under any conditions, they can more than likely look at the output of the computer and tell if a fuel pressure box has been used. When the max fuel pressure is 5-10% over the max possible stock pressure, then something funny happened along the road somewhere. I also know that DCX reads these and many other boards. They can afford to pay people $10-15/hr to void warranties that can cost them a heck of a lot more than what those employees cost them. It is simple risk management. They want to cut their warranty expenses any way possible. We want them to pay for our mistakes. I agree that they go overboard in denying warranty claims. My extended warranty has been pretty useless in fact. But, they have the money to defend their actions in court. Most CTD owners do not, nor do they have the time to deal with it. So, DCX can and will continue to deny claims that should be covered. Why? Because they can get away with it and have the teams of lawyers on staff to back them up.