What to stack with EZ ?

[JPLB22]

I'm ready to move up the power scale. I've already got plans for the clutch ( South Bend ), pump ( FASS II ), and turbo ( HTB2 ), and will also add a fuel pressure gauge to my boost and pyro.



I am wondering if the Van Aaken c3. 2 will make a good stack with the EZ ?



If it's a no on the Van Aaken then I will consider the PPE programmer, or the TST. I do know that I definately don't want another pressure box.



TIA



Jeff

 

[Mobius1]

I my self want to stack another box with my ez. People aon this site say that TST works very well with an ez. Also the edge Juice with attitude is another great stack I'm sure that other people will chime in too.



Forgive my ignorance but what is a FASS II? I heard of the origonal (sp) FASS. Where can I find info about the FASS II? and how sells them?

 

[JCleary]

TST. The Juice/Attitude for the '03 trucks can't be stacked with the EZ since they both do pressure.



The VA 3. 2 will stack fine, but I think you'll want something that increases timing instead of just stretching duration. Your EGT's might get a little hot.



Maybe the new BD X-power will work for you.



Fass II replaces the stock lift pump but does not have filters.



On edit:



Keep in mind that the downloaders, whether PPE or Bully Dog will use increased pressure to get their power gains. I don't know much about the PPE, but the BDDL does not use pressure on the lowest setting.

 

[Mobius1]

TST. The Juice/Attitude for the '03 trucks can't be stacked with the EZ since they both do pressure.

Oh yeah thats right I'm just used to thnking that the 05 J/A just does timing and duration so I assume that all of them do.

Fass II replaces the stock lift pump but does not have filters.

Is that what TST sells on their web site? cause I see they are cheaper than other places what offer FASS. I could see $20 or $30 dollars difference but not $120 or higher.



Sorry to hijack thread JPLB22

 

[99Supercab]

On edit:



Keep in mind that the downloaders, whether PPE or Bully Dog will use increased pressure to get their power gains. I don't know much about the PPE, but the BDDL does not use pressure on the lowest setting.

IIRC, the BD power pup only increases pressure on the Extreme setting. There`s so much conflicting info on these downloaders, I could be wrong.



I`m running a Power Pup with an EZ now, but I just got the EZ this weekend, so I haven`t had a chance to test it too much yet, but so far I like it.

 

[JPLB22]

No worries Mobius1.



I logged on to BD's website but coucld only find the X - Power Plus, which is for 600's and 610's. I would like to definately know more about the X - Power. I didn't really like the look of the power selector that they show for the X - Power Plus, I am wondering if the X - Power has the same.



I am just starting to learn and research chip stacking so forgive me if this is a stupid question. The EZ is also a timing box ( I thought ) as well as pressure, does it not adjust timing enough when used in a stack with a box that doesn't adjust timing ? And would adding a Rokktech sensor help ?



Also the shop that I am planning on purchasing from said the PPE does not increase pressure. Not saying your wrong, just telling what they told me.



Jeff

 

[JCleary]

I saw an X-power run on a CA SO, and it made less hp by itself than the guy's EZ made by itself. I wasn't impressed. Typically the SO trucks respond extremely well to power-adders. I'm not sure if the X-Power Plus is available for the older trucks.



AKRAM on DTR (I believe it was him) had a BDDL on his truck with a rail pressure gauge. It did not change pressure on "tow" mode, added about 1k on "performance" and 2k plus on "extreme. "



If you call Bully Dog and talk to three different people, you'll get three different answers. I've heard directly from them that the BDDL uses no pressure at all. I've also heard from them they use pressure only on "performance" or "extreme," and I've heard they only use pressure on "Crazy Larry. " Choose what you want to believe, but I believe what AKRAM reported.



I'd suggest waiting for the Smarty to come out. It is advertised as being undetectable. Bully Dog originally advertised it was undetectable as well, but it turned out to be untrue. They removed that from their website, along with the advertisement that they store your "stock" settings before downloading their program.



If you talk to those who are in the know, they'll tell you that the memory can only be upgraded, it does not allow the info to be read. So bottom line is you get whatever stock program they decided to load their box with.



That said, I think their stock programming is remarkably close to what my truck was stock. I dynoed within 2hp with the Cummins stock program and the BDDL "stock" program.



I believe the FASS that TST sells is the lift pump replacement.

 

[CBrabec]

JPLB22,

I would recommed going with the TST for the stack. I'm currently running that stack setup and love it. I take it easy with the TST levels right now cause of stock transmission. The reason I like it is beacuse I can turn off the TST and use the EZ for mpg gains and then turn on the tst when I want to have some serious fun. You are going about the right steps with the transmission, fass and turbo. I blew my stock turbo within the first few hours I had the tst on (my own fault). Now I have the sps 62 and I don't worry about my turbo going out on me when I turn the tst on higher levels, and I'm having a full DTT transmission and FASS system installed on March 1. You will be happy with this stack. Enjoy!

 

[JPLB22]

Thanks for the good report CBrabec ! I got your PM also. I will be honest in saying that out of the 3 ( VA, PPE, TST ) the TST would have been my third choice. But I know that many on this site love the TST, and love how well it stacks. So I will have to consider it a little more I guess !



I have 2 questions about the TST though. I read a while back about the TST throwing codes, is that still a problem ? And does the TST adjust timing ?



TIA



Jeff

 

[CBrabec]

Jeff,

I have had the tst/ez stacked since june of 05 and I have not thrown a code to date. The tst does timing & duration, and the ez does fuel pressure only on the 3rd gens.



chris

 

[blacksheep4x4]

Do you guys know if you can stack a Edge juice A2 with the TST? I want to get a Smarty for my 06 mega cab and a Edge juice with A2 and TST. Is it possible to stack all three? Als do you guys know if you can stack a Banks Six Gun w/speed loader with any other boxes? I have this on my 03.

 

[osiris]

Twest stacked the 6gun with the bullydog programmer and said it was great i am sure he will chime in tho

 

[SLJolley]

JPLB22,

The EZ would work very well with a van Aaken C3. 2 module. If it were me I would get a VA C3. 2 and a Rokktech sensor. This would make a very nice setup.

 

[JPLB22]

This is going to be a very tuff choice for me !!



So let me make sure I get this straight, for 2003 and newer trucks the Edge EZ does not adjust timing ??



Remember I'm just learning here, what is the need for more timing when adding a second box, such as the VA, to the EZ ? I know JCleary said it would cause hotter EGT's, but I would like to know why.



Thanks



Jeff

 

[SLJolley]

Duration causes your EGT's to be higher due to increased amounts of fuel being injected to create the higher HP. Adding timing will reduce your EGT's because it allows the combustion event to be more complete prior to the exhaust discharge.

 

[JPLB22]

Thank you very much, I've learned something new today ! As simple as it was, it was still new to me.



Jeff

 

[RDyson]

I am running the TST/EZ stack. I also have the rokktech sensor on. When the engine is cold, I turn my TST off. It just adds too much timing. When the engine warms up, it does fine. I will probably take the rokktech off untill spring. I have the SO motor, and did not see any mileage increase with the EZ only. The TST gave me about 1 1/2 MPG increase, due to the timing--I guess. I don't think the EZ directly adds timing, but because of the boost fooling may cause the ECM to add timing.

 

[100 Proof]

I've got the BDDL, running in "TOW" mode for the timing and duration stacked with the VA C3. 1, which is a pressure only box, for the awesome torque rise. This combo slips my stock clutch in 5th and 6th with both set on their lowest settings. When the new SBC goes in, I'll crank the VA because it delivers a "safe" level of pressure to the common rail even on the top setting. It does all this with very smooth application of power and none of the notchiness I have experienced with a few other solutions.



I got this combo to pull a trailer. It does an awesome job with the stock turbo. I get great fuel economy to boot. It is fun to drive around town and I've won my share of stoplight competitions. It will not deliver the power of some other combos, but it works perfectly for the objectives I have.



100 Proof

 

[osiris]

Would the VA and TST stack give you the same HP numbers as the ez/tst? which do you prefer ez or va?

 

[JPLB22]

I read a thread from last November where someone mentioned that the VA box may not be the best for very high RPM's, because it may not have enough time to elongate the duration of the injection event at such high RPM's. They weren't sure about that info. but it made me wonder.

Now I don't know what they meant for high RPM's, but my truck is no stranger to extended time at 2400-2650 RPM's.

How well will the VA plus Rokktech and EZ, or the TST plus EZ, react at say 5 hours at 2650 RPM's ??



Jeff