What's safer?

[Camilo]

Hi all, been lurking the forum for a while but never posted before. This a great learning site.



Anyway, I got an 03 2500 4x4 with the Banks 6 gun & speed loader, brute force intake, 4" exaust, banks gauges, KORE chase lift, 35" Mickey thompson ATZ. My buddy with a new Ford F 250 with similar mods is still beating me.



What's next for more and safe power? Considering methonol or nitrous. Any advise would be highly appretiated?

 

[Tomeygun]

Hi all, been lurking the forum for a while but never posted before. This a great learning site.



Anyway, I got an 03 2500 4x4 with the Banks 6 gun & speed loader, brute force intake, 4" exaust, banks gauges, KORE chase lift, 35" Mickey thompson ATZ. My buddy with a new Ford F 250 with similar mods is still beating me.



What's next for more and safe power? Considering methonol or nitrous. Any advise would be highly appretiated?

I say ditch the Banks for a JUICE or PowermaxCR, IMO



YOu need duration, something the banks can't give you

 

[JRD]

agreed, ditch the banks and go for the, ever so popular, TST/Edge EZ stack.

 

[TCDiesel]

I have seen what TST/EZ does to the upper parts of the engine,It will cut the expected life in half,at 150. 000 miles the engine will start to get weak/tired. What type of trans do you have,Turbo,Cooler,plenum. More info is needed,What are your expectations as far engine life,durability. dependability,longevity.

The TST/EZ is a race only type of application and dose work well,In a few Months the VGT will be available from GBE. Than Pulse,Pressure,Timing will be here,I have seen what this applications can do It will put you over 500 RWHP. Yes it will cut engine life shorter,maybe 10/20 %.

 

[Tomeygun]

I have seen what TST/EZ does to the upper parts of the engine,It will cut the expected life in half,at 150. 000 miles the engine will start to get weak/tired. What type of trans do you

Where have you found this to be true?



Do you mean ALL power boxes will shorten life? I know the theory of "amount of fuel" before rebuilt, Saying that a given amount of fuel goes through the engine before rebuild is needed, and by increasing amount of fuel, you decrease time before rebuild



But that would be true of all boxes/chips/mods



As for the upper end of the engine, You mean injectors, or rocker arms/pushrods/lifters/valve springs/etc ??

 

[Camilo]

ya, changing to the TST would be nice but I have $700 on the banks stuff. Nobody likes nitrous or methonol? Or maybe even changing the injectors?

 

[Tomeygun]

ya, changing to the TST would be nice but I have $700 on the banks stuff. Nobody likes nitrous or methonol? Or maybe even changing the injectors?

Well, I always thought that Nitrous is for super heavly overfueled engines, It introduces more oxygen to the cylinder to burn all that extra fuel... So unless you see a large cloud of soot at max boost, I am not sure N20 would help much.



But I think you would be good to go on the injector swap, Theory is that pressure plus injector is a great combo, Some people see 200hp from an injector/pressure box combo



I am not sure about what brand would be best though, As I have not upgraded mine yet

 

[TCDiesel]

Where have you found this to be true?



Do you mean ALL power boxes will shorten life? I know the theory of "amount of fuel" before rebuilt, Saying that a given amount of fuel goes through the engine before rebuild is needed, and by increasing amount of fuel, you decrease time before rebuild



But that would be true of all boxes/chips/mods



As for the upper end of the engine, You mean injectors, or rocker arms/pushrods/lifters/valve springs/etc ??

Yeah,The ISBe with proper maintenance could reach the half Million mark,The ISL,ISM,ISX engines reach this easily. The same technology is in the ISBe. Now most heavy duty warranties are according to rated HP. Yes added Hp will have some effect regardless of the maker. What I have seen with the TST/EZ is the unusual Flame Pattern on pistons. How much of effect dose this have is open for discussion, all of the techs I spoke too Mention about Half the engine life. Half of what ,Half million or half of 300. 000. none the less added HP will shorten the Life. TST is a very aggressive Program and the Buyers should realize and consider it Race equipment. Yes The Six-Gun also should Be consider Race equipment also.

 

[Camilo]

what concerns me about an injector swap is the fuel economy, where as with NOS or Methonol you can turn it on in case of emergencies, you know, like when a power stroke or duramax pulls up next to you revin' the engine.

 

[Tomeygun]

what concerns me about an injector swap is the fuel economy, where as with NOS or Methonol you can turn it on in case of emergencies, you know, like when a power stroke or duramax pulls up next to you revin' the engine.

And I hear the good thing about N20 is that if you over do it it just kills the flame and the engine dies... (not like gassers, "pill it to you kill it")



I would call a few injector companies about mileage though, I did not see any decrease in MPG with 2nd gen injectors (dd2's) in my 99 model

 

[Tomeygun]

Yeah,The ISBe with proper maintenance could reach the half Million mark,The ISL,ISM,ISX engines reach this easily. The same technology is in the ISBe. Now most heavy duty warranties are according to rated HP. Yes added Hp will have some effect regardless of the maker. What I have seen with the TST/EZ is the unusual Flame Pattern on pistons. How much of effect dose this have is open for discussion, all of the techs I spoke too Mention about Half the engine life. Half of what ,Half million or half of 300. 000. none the less added HP will shorten the Life. TST is a very aggressive Program and the Buyers should realize and consider it Race equipment. Yes The Six-Gun also should Be consider Race equipment also.

You do have a good point about timing VS flame pattern VS piston bowl, etc, etc. I guess we will have to get some hot shot drivers to report backwith any high mileage findings



Could this be why Van AAken staying away from timing on thier duration box?