Attention: TDR Forum Junkies Normal?????
You are correct, I am not used to smaller displacement late model diesels. I drove 18 wheelers for a while and was a diesel mechanic in the air force in the mid 70's (detroit diesel's w/a jerk pump injections system). Since I am no late model expert I am not offended by your comments. I do however disagree. I think you are being a bit too dismissive about the whole white smoke issue. As I stated when I started this thread my truck runs very rough the whole time it is smoking. Rough enough for the engine to shake the whole truck while idling. This only lasts for 30 sec to 1 minute and only at cold startup on days with an ambient temp below 50 degrees. The colder it is the worse it is and the longer it lasts. When the smoking stops the shaking stops and the truck start idling smooth a silk with no strange noises and no shaking. While it is smoking though if you had a cup of coffee in the cup holder you'd end up with some coffee on the floor. That's how bad it shakes. And this behavior sounds normal to you????? If this white smoke thing is "normal" then why don't Chevy's and Ford's do it? My uncle has a powerstroke and it doesn't puff clouds of white smoke on cold mornings. Also if it's normal why didn't my truck do this from day one? Why did it wait till it had 15k on it before the smoking started? It was exposed to temps below 20 degrees on vacation and never behaved this way. In fact on 20 degree mornings it would start right up, no smoke at all --- none. And definitely no shaking. So to dismiss everyone who complains of white smoke as not knowing anything about diesel's and as smoke being normal is, shall we say misguided. I am not trying to give offense here but if we all accept this behavior as normal then no one will ever push DC to find out what's really wrong. When you spend close to 40k on truck you don't expect it to behave this way. The whole reason for bringing it up in this forum was to seek the consensus of others who have had this problem. How many of them were able to get it fixed? What fixed it? If it turns out that most cases were fixed by replacing injectors for instance then that's valuable information for all of us to know. That's why I asked what others experiences were with this problem and why it is valuable to bring it up and question it. Personally I think there is a problem with the 04. 5 and up injectors. But before I take my truck in and surrender it to the black depths of the stealership for who knows how long (thank you star parts) I wanted to gather as much info as possible on others experiences with the problem. Knowledge is power, something we all need when going up against the dealership's. So once again I ask, what's the consensus on the white smoke issue?
doldenburg said:
You are correct, I am not used to smaller displacement late model diesels. I drove 18 wheelers for a while and was a diesel mechanic in the air force in the mid 70's (detroit diesel's w/a jerk pump injections system). Since I am no late model expert I am not offended by your comments. I do however disagree. I think you are being a bit too dismissive about the whole white smoke issue. As I stated when I started this thread my truck runs very rough the whole time it is smoking. Rough enough for the engine to shake the whole truck while idling. This only lasts for 30 sec to 1 minute and only at cold startup on days with an ambient temp below 50 degrees. The colder it is the worse it is and the longer it lasts. When the smoking stops the shaking stops and the truck start idling smooth a silk with no strange noises and no shaking. While it is smoking though if you had a cup of coffee in the cup holder you'd end up with some coffee on the floor. That's how bad it shakes. And this behavior sounds normal to you????? If this white smoke thing is "normal" then why don't Chevy's and Ford's do it? My uncle has a powerstroke and it doesn't puff clouds of white smoke on cold mornings. Also if it's normal why didn't my truck do this from day one? Why did it wait till it had 15k on it before the smoking started? It was exposed to temps below 20 degrees on vacation and never behaved this way. In fact on 20 degree mornings it would start right up, no smoke at all --- none. And definitely no shaking. So to dismiss everyone who complains of white smoke as not knowing anything about diesel's and as smoke being normal is, shall we say misguided. I am not trying to give offense here but if we all accept this behavior as normal then no one will ever push DC to find out what's really wrong. When you spend close to 40k on truck you don't expect it to behave this way. The whole reason for bringing it up in this forum was to seek the consensus of others who have had this problem. How many of them were able to get it fixed? What fixed it? If it turns out that most cases were fixed by replacing injectors for instance then that's valuable information for all of us to know. That's why I asked what others experiences were with this problem and why it is valuable to bring it up and question it. Personally I think there is a problem with the 04. 5 and up injectors. But before I take my truck in and surrender it to the black depths of the stealership for who knows how long (thank you star parts) I wanted to gather as much info as possible on others experiences with the problem. Knowledge is power, something we all need when going up against the dealership's. So once again I ask, what's the consensus on the white smoke issue?
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