which first injectors or black box?

[Texas Diesel]

Now that you all are drawing me to the dark side, what do I do first? Injectors (suggestions?) or black box (suggestions?)?
I want to increase power for towing and hopefully mpg and definately the "smoke factor"

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2001. 5 SLT QC SB 4X3 (open front diff), 6 speed, HO, LSD, 241HD, 3. 54, camper special, power everything, trip thingy, REAL bumpers, green/silver, CD, Nerf Bars, Vent Visors, trailer tow pkg, nicknamed "house payment"

 

[Todd T]

The stealthier way would be injectors, the easier way would be a box.

I wouldnt count on MPG increases with either, unless you have more self control than the majority here, you wont be able to keep the go pedal off the floor #ad


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Todd,
2001 Q-cab SB 4x4 5spd 3. 55's,PowerMax3 adj. , A pillar Boost/EGT,4" turboback exhaust,custom built aluminum airbox W/K&N-RE0860 through the cowl, 310HP/675ft-lbs and more to come...

 

[Alan Reagan]

Box. That's the short answer. The HO has smaller injectors and you can really feel a change with the box. Those injectors are optimized for that engine. From what I have gathered from talking to guys at with the HO that changed just the injectors, they got less gain than they expected. I'm sure someone will flame me for this and feel free because I haven't changed injectors and can't say from first hand experience. The box seems to give the most initial bang for the buck with the HO. A final touch, with 275's you would be getting about 30 hp. With a box you'll get a minimum of 40 but probably 60 plus depending on which one you go with.

[This message has been edited by Alan Reagan (edited 05-30-2001). ]

[This message has been edited by Alan Reagan (edited 05-30-2001). ]

 

[Fred Swanson]

Try the EZ. If you don't like it within 60 days, send it back. 5 minutes to install. Injectors take a couple of hours.

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Fred Swanson
Canyon State Components, LLC


'00 QC,SB,4x4,Auto,3. 54 w/LSD,Trailer Package,Tow Package,DTT's
TC(91%)&VB(80psi),DD2's,EZ,HOT PE,K&N RE-0880,Cummins RED Valve Cover

 

[hammong]

If you plan on taking your truck in for warranty work, it's a lot easier to remove a box than it is to re-swap your injectors back to stock.

The upside to injectors is that you're not stressing your VP44 electronic fuel pump by making it pump "more fuel". It pumps the same rate and pressure as stock, but the bigger injectors flow more because of larger orifaces and lighter pop-off pressures.

I opted to go with the injectors for my truck. Went with DD Stage II's, and couldn't be happier! OK, I could be happier if I had the DTT VB/TC upgrade AND a box AND more smoke AND more power, but otherwise I'm still pretty darned happy! #ad


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Y2K Dodge Cummins QC 2500 SLT Laramie 4x4 Long Bed, 4. 10/Auto, Forest Green/Driftwood, 265x75R16 Michelin LTX, 6 speaker CD, Camper/Tow/Plow Packages, Westin Black Nerfs, Mopar bedliner, Ultra bright diamondplate toolbox, K&N Filtercharger, Autometer Ultralite EGT and Boost gauges in 2-gauge pillar w/tweeter, DD Stage II injectors, boost module, and boost elbow. Yee haw!
http://www.rints.com/hammond for photos!

 

[Archive]

Texas D... They are having a meeting of TDR members just down the road from you in a few weeks. Maybe U could try out a Box from a fellow memeber, and get an idea of what it will perform like... U'll be HOOKed for sure. . (Don't know if I'll make it or not. )Check it out on the Events board.
Bryan

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1995 Extended Cab 3500, 3. 54 gears/Automatic,K&N w/ lost Cat.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Go with injectors on the ETH. The major fueling boxes work best on the ETC engine. Beware: your clutch will not hold much over 600 Ft*lbf... .
-Cliff

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2001 ETH-DEE, Diablo Power Puck, Bosch 275's, Practical Solutions Boost Module and Elbow, LFT Silencer Ring Eliminator, K&N, Straight Piped http://www.mudrunner.sites.cc

[This message has been edited by cdaledh (edited 05-30-2001). ]

 

[Blackdog]

Either way you go you should deffinatley be able to tell a difference in your truck. I went with a box first (JVD), but now that I look back on it I would have put injectors in first. It didnt take me long to do both but with a big set of injectors you should deffinately get smoke and alot of power. Injectors are not nearly as noticeable b/c the power is throughout the whole RPM range unlike the box where as it has certain RPM ranges that it works the most. If you plan on pulling alot I would try the JVD Torque Enhancer, we have tried almost every big fueling box and this one in my mind is by far the best for pulling. I gained 4-5 mpg with the just the box alone and it doesnt run high EGT's. Most all of Dave Mitchell's guys run the JVD b/c they sled pull alot like we do and they absolutely love it. I hope this helps. Be good!

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Erik

2001 Black 24v Cummins, 3/4 ton, QC, SWB, 4x4, Auto, Every Option Available, Agate Leather, 2. 5" Skyjacker Lift, 33x12. 50 SSR's on 16. 5x9. 75 Weld Super Single II's, White Face Guages, Isspro Pyrometer, DiPricol 60lbs Boost guage w/ tattle tale needle on Dual A-Pillar, Cobra 29 LTD Soundtracker Nightwatch CB, Westin Chrome Brush Guard, Chrome Rocker Panels, 4" Chrome Tip, Dee Zee Diamond Plate Toolbox, Bed Rails, Tailgate Protector, Drawtite Removable Gooseneck Ball, Straight Piped, Silencer Ring Removed, K&N RE-0880, HX35 w/ 16cm Housing non-wastegated, JVD, BIG Custom Injectors, Pro Torque Convertor, Performance Custom Valve Body, Shift Kit, Holley Pro Lift Pump, Custom fuel lines, Custom Sound System

"Dodge Makes It, Cummins Shakes It"

 

[Guest00]

Stealth DD2's.
IF DC thinks there is something fishy w/ injectors they have to remove them, send them to Bosch for testing.

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2K, 2500, Quad, SB, 4x4, 3:54LSD, A/T w/ DTT VB, TC, TC SAVER and AUX COOLER , REESE 15k 5th slider, EASLEY BULL BAR, MAAP NERFS, BFG-TA's, 9000's,STAINLESS BRADED 6an FUEL LINES, stealth DD2's, Bully Dog Boost & elbow, ISSPRO pyro, boost & transmission, Turbo Lifesaver, JARDINE 4", PAC BRAKE, MAG HYTECH TP& DC, AFE filter, GEAR VENDORS OD, TAYLOR WING, MAGNA MIRRORS, V Mc's SS Fuel Lines, Cup Smoothie nboard.

pullees:
#1 y2k ARTIC FOX 5th
#2 22' car hauler w/ 76 Pinto 392cid or 68 Cyclone GT Cobra Jet FB
NRA-LIFE, VFW-LIFE, SoCSA-LIFE, SASS

 

[Barry]

I am bringing EZ boxes with me to the Texas Ramboree. Edge slapped my hand for advertising them to cheap. I guess what I sell them for face to face is OK. I also have some 275s I am bringing. But don't tell anyone what I am selling them for... ... .

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2001 2500 QC, ETH/DEE,4:10s,LSD,EZ with elbow(28psi)Stage 1 injectors from Carl,Boost/Pyro Guages,4" Turbo back,BD Brake,Mag-Hytec Cover,Kleen Wheels,Energy Release,125 gal. fuel,20K Reese. 31,000 Miles on 03/01/01 TDR Grille Badge(Auto/Truck/RV Dealer)Honda GL 1500 SE Pearl White for fun.

 

[Texas Diesel]

Barry:
I cant wait to meet you at the Ramboree!!

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2001. 5 SLT QC SB 4X3 (open front diff), 6 speed, HO, LSD, 241HD, 3. 54, camper special, power everything, trip thingy, REAL bumpers, green/silver, CD, Nerf Bars, Vent Visors, trailer tow pkg, nicknamed "house payment"

 

[Gizmo 007]

Hey Barry, where/when is the Ramboree? I'd sure like to meet you (along with a little cash #ad
).

 

[Bigsaint]

Rut row rorge, rum ra ritter rar ror ra ramaroee, #ad


I had the EZ on mine as the first HP mod, worked real well on the otherwise stock ETH.

Scott W.

White 2001. 5 3500 ETH/DEE 4X4 Quad cab SLT,tow package and camper prep,Husky liners front and rear,DiPricol pyro,boost and oil temp gauges,SPA fuel pressure and temp. gauge,Edge EZ,Psychotty air,Bully Dog stage III injectors,ATS 3 piece manifold,HX40 turbo,4" BD exhaust,4" BD E-brake,McLeod clutch,Mallory 4150 lift pump,Mag-Hytec rear,Go-Rhino grill guard,Lund bug shield,PM tractor utility back up lights,Penda bed mat,365. 8 HP on the dyno and blow by bottle is bye bye !!! I love the smell of diesel in the morning, it reminds me of... . VICTORY !!!
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[tom sweeney]

i went with the 275's and installed them at May Madness!!!. . the install is a snap. the hardest part was getting the valve cover off and on... ya' gotta wiggle it just right!!!
i can REALLY tell the change... MAJOR DIFFERANCE. . if you go with injectors,be sure to get a boost module to drop your EGT's... good luck... tom

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2001QC 2500HD LB ETH/DEE 4x4 4:10's LSD,275 RV injectors, Pacbrake,Boost/EGT Gauges on A pillar,All options except cab lights,AFE cone air filter,straight-pipe w/resonator,Forest Green/Light driftwood. Westin tubular black powder-coated side bars. Husky 16k 5th wheel hitch,26' Holiday Rambler 5th wheel,Extra Class Amateur Radio Operator ke3Rx.

 

[Texas Diesel]

Thanks for all the answers, seems I need to get an EZ and 275's. Are "stealth" imjectors supposed to look like factory ones?
Anyway, I'll be at the Texas TDR meeting and ask alot of questions.
Thanks to all for taking time to answer me.

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2001. 5 SLT QC SB 4X3 (open front diff), 6 speed, HO, LSD, 241HD, 3. 54, camper special, power everything, trip thingy, REAL bumpers, green/silver, CD, Nerf Bars, Vent Visors, trailer tow pkg, nicknamed "house payment"