Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Which to choose?? Edge, supertuner.......

[KBalzuweit]

Which will be the best for this. I am looking for a little more towing power, but most important is better fuel mileage.



Thanks, Karl

 

[lmills]

If you are referring to the superchips microtuner, most have found them to be junk. They don't give the advertised hosepower for most people. Some people have dyno tested them and found they only gained 15-20 hp. The EZ is a little more money, but guaranteed to work.

 

[Bob Wagner]

edge ez will be your best bet

 

[JSprecker]

If you are referring to the superchips microtuner, most have found them to be junk.

I guess you may have to count me amoung those who have installed a Superchips Microtuner and likes it so far. I've only had it for about a week but so far it seems great. With less than a tank full of fuel to have done a real calculation I can tell you that my overhead computer is registering an average of 2 mpg improvement and my seat of the pants dyno would indicate much more than 15-20 hp. I'm guessing by the feel that it's much closer to 50hp. I'm at over 5,000 ft and set it on the 2nd setting for performance towing. I will be hauling my boat over the mountians next week and will let you know how it performs. It has a money back satisfaction guarantee for 30 days.

 

[lmills]

Don't take my word for it, do a search. You will find plenty of people complaining about them. One person emailed the company about the lack of power and was given the "sorry not all trucks take to the programming like others do". That's sounds like something I would want to buy. You buy it wondering if your truck is going to perform like they advertise, or if you willhave to pay to ship it back, wait for your money and then buy soomething better anyway. At that rate a person might as well buy a new 6. 0 liter and wonder if it is going to idel, leak oil or lose injectors. You get about the same statistics. Some run great, some don't

 

[pwr2tow]

You could do what I did when I bought my box.



I ordered just about every box available at the time, tried them one by one, kept the one I liked and sent the rest back. This way I got to see for myself which one I liked best and not take someones word who might be a little biased, not that we have anything like that on the TDR .



The superchip was not available at the time I did mine, I will be ordering one before next spring, I like the idea of a scanner plus tire size corrector plus power enhancement all in one unit. Try buying all of them separately and see how much you will pay, I'am not a betting man but I would say up-wards of $800. 00, to that is a $500. 00 saveings, of course if the power enhancement feature does not work the point would be mute.



Ron

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

With my Edge Comp it gave me a real kick in the rumpus but my mileage has suffered but that is probably because it's on 5 x 5 most of the time. I just can't say no..... I have read through alot of threads and overwhelmingly people tend to say the Van Aken gives the best MPG increase. That is just my take on what I have read and is not an endorsment or said out of first hand knowledge with the product. With that said I am pretty happy with the comp and if I was doing it over again I might or might not go with the same product.

 

[OL RATLR]

Edge/ supertuner

Edge Comp. Oo.

 

[jwilliams3]

Supertuner=Jack of all trades masters of none.



Edge products=knows their CUMMINS!

 

[TomGolden]

Some advantages of all the Edge Products that I know of (having started with the EZ and upgraded to the hot Comp):



1. All Edge boxes are fueling AND timing. Other brands may be fueling only.

2. All Edge boxes have a boost fooler built in. Not all brands do, and this is very, very important.

3. The Edge Comp is adjustable on the fly, while driving down the road! The EZ is adjustable, but not while driving. You can even drive with the Comp turned completely off and it still acts as a boost fooler (this according to Aaron @ Edge via phone conversation I had before purchasing my Comp).

4. From personal experience, and that of many other TDR folks, Edge customer service is absolutely 100% solid and top notch. Not to say other companies are not, I have no personal experience with any other brand of little black box to judge from.



Oh, to address a comment made earlier in this thread: DO NOT base your fuel economy on your overhead trip computer!!!!!!!!!!! When you add a box, it throws the computer way out of whack as far as MPG goes. According to my computer, I now get 23 - 24 MPG. According to my pencil and paper and the fuel pumps at the stations I fill up at, I am getting 17 - 19 MPG.



Tom

 

[d2500]

MicroTuner inferior

Not only did the Superchips MicroTuner add less than 10HP to my truck (on any of the settings), but it also gave me an error trying to reset the DTC that was set in my ECM. And this happened twice! Luckily, I have a $100 ODBII scanner that I picked up a year or so back, and it works flawlessly.



So for just under $300 you can have a really cool looking tire size calibratorOo.



And BTW, Superchips tech support informed me (after I complained), that they're aware of the problem, but don't yet have a fix, and WILL NOT be able to "reflash" you programmer even once they do come up with one.



So after not being able to find one person who didn't gain the promissed HP from Edge, I'm pacing the house waiting for my Comp to get here this week

 

[lmills]

I have a friend that bought one for his powerstroke and loved it. It really brought it to life.



Judging from how many guys are running them over at the dieselstop on their PSD's, I would say they have them figured out. However when it comes to the Cummins they have a long way to go

 

[TIngram]

definately buy a edge i have had a ez a power edge (old three stage) and a comp, love them all they will back up anything they sell to you talk to aaron or justin they are both great guys. my order got screwed up so now they are going to send to me next day air for nothing. this is my new comp by the way, (a buddy of mine gave me more than i paid for my old one) couldnt let the idea of extra change pass me buy.

 

[James2000]

Not sure if it matters much, but I live at 8200' and ran the Superchips tuner and noticed a difference at "performance tow" setting. But like many others out there it did not put out the HP like advertised. It is a tempting price, buyt you truely get what you pay for. The guy I bought it through took it back no questions asked and sold me the EZ for $410. So me happy now. Oo. Oo. James

 

[JSprecker]

UPDATE!!!!!



I bow to the superior knowledge on this site, I had the DD1's installed today and was warned about EGT's with the Supertuner. It only took a very short ride to figure out that they were out of site. It seems like the power really kicks in at about 2400 RPM unfortunately so does the heat!!:{ At about 20-23 lbs of boost it defuels and there's no way to increase boost.



I stand corrected and duely scorned:-{} By the way my Edge TruTorque will be here on Thursday. Oo.

 

[Hohn]

A direct QUOTE from Klocklear of Diesel Dynamics, when asked about the timing of the Edge boxes in combination with DD injectors:

It is not optimum and "could" cause damage under the right circumstances according to our R&D guy. This is why we changed the parameters for our version.

Personally, I would have reservations about running the EZ with large injectors. I am taking it easy until I can upgrade my EZ to a TST PMAX Competition. Obviously "stacking" is a definite no-no, at least with the newer models that have more aggressive timing. My EZ is one of the first for an '02-- I was told the timing isn't quite as aggressive. It still feels a little over advanced.



The timing of the EZ is simply designed for use with stock injectors. With large injectors, the timing is effectively advanced beyond optimum. The larger the injector, the more the over-advance. I don't think that you would have problems with a dd1 or the 275s, but the larger the injector, the more likely that you can hurt something.



That said, there are a LOT of guys here using the EZ with larger injectors, some of whom tow VERY heavy. I have yet to hear of a failure due to overadvanced timing in these cases. Maybe some headgaskets are stronger than others?



Anyway, I would think that the VA or PUCK would be a more suitable box for use with large injectors (stage 3 or over)



I like my EZ, it's just not "optimum" for my needs.



jlh

 

[lmills]

I ran the EZ with the Bully Dog III's for a little while with no problems on mine.

 

[WadePatton]

Silly BOMBer, "chips" are fer Fords

Hohn, you brought up DD and their stand on the PE products timing, but didn't mention the use of their less aggressivly timed products--the TT and UFM.



For those that don't know. Diesel Dynamics power modules ARE optimized for use with larger injectors. They are built by Edge and reworked by DD. Last I heard the DD boxes are lifetime warrantied as well.



I gots mine AND still have excellent fuel economy.

 

[Hohn]

Wade I was hoping to imply that the DD products are less aggressive, and designed to work well with larger injectors.



The DDUFM also has a more agressive defuel program on the lowest levels to facilitate running large injectors on the street, if I am not mistaken.



Justin

 

[WadePatton]

I was just trying to make sure all understood the implication.



NOW that I think about it. I wonder what DD would charge to reprogram a Comp or EZ that had been bought from PE? Or if they would even do it. I don't see why not, unless it's part of their business deal. Might be just the ticket for those that would like to tone things down a bit.



Of course the REAL DEAL would be programmer like the Mustang shop has (where we dyno)--they can change EVERYthing on the fly. Oo.