"White Obsession bashed on Phord site by Gooch.

[BIG BOB]

I just went over to see what was happening with the rod comparison post on the phord site and boy was I in for a surprise!



http://forums.ford-diesel.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=000342

 

[tntway]

naughty naughty...

boy they sure are cocky aren't they? and getting a little testy too!





but seriously tho', if this cummins was in a ford, i'd be drivin' one...

 

[DAWG-1]

They are just " ROD" envy .

 

[Archive]

I looked down and decided I had better stick with comparing connecting rods.



I think White Obsession looks pretty cool, and I know it goes like a greased pig... probably the only one that would be able to keep up with ya is the 600hp guy... from his signature, he looks pretty tricked out!



Personally, I don't care for the ford or the powerstroke, but I certainly have enjoyed sitting with those guys and having a beer. They are just like us... love their trucks!

 

[Archive]

PS: I am proud to have White Obsession in my driveway each and every time you venture over here!

 

[EMDDIESEL]

What a friggin jerk, if you dont have something nice to say, dont say it at all. He is proably just jealous (i bet you never heard that line)

 

[Evan A. Beck]

I like the addition at the end of your signature, EMD.

 

[EMDDIESEL]

LOL!, that is offically called the "Evan A. Beck Disclaimer" named after the scandal of the above mentioned member.

 

[Archive]

EMD... I like it, too.



But this is not a firearms site, so it really isn't necessary... just funny!

 

[JKloppe]

Big BOB- Sorry for all the hassle, I didn't mean to get you involved. I will ask first next time.

 

[Jeff H]

I read a thread a long time ago about a test of the diesels. Navistar ford and Cummins and GM were run under full load till they broke. The ford and gm broke some where in the 120 hours. But the Cummins never broke. Anybody read this one too? Oh I also believe that the rods broke on the Navistar and gm on this test. So much for the super alloy steel.

 

[BIG BOB]

JKloppe,



Not a problem at all. I don't understand what the problem is with Gooch. I figured that the picture would make it to the phord site, just for more knowledge about both engines. I would hope that next time Gooch has something to say, that he thinks about it prior to putting it in writing. I'm sure he doesn't want to look like a heal again.



My photo's are open to anyone to look at. Like I said before, everyone has their likes and dislikes. That's what make the world go round. However, my opinions and the way I see fit to accessories the "White Obsession" are mine, and being that they are mine they are right!

 

[Alan Reagan]

Those aren't the "size is everything" guys are they? I don't really have a problem with the PSD. It has its peculiar problems like the Cummins does. Turbo bolts fall out, don't crank worth a flip when cold, cackling. Whas up with the 'Gooch' ? What's a 'Gooch' anyway. He needs to come by my neighbors place. Father and Son own a PSD and CTD respectively. He would have a heart attack listening to those two. Yeah the Phord is quick off the line (It IS a V-8). OK. Listen to the father and son, both with stock trucks and each admits in their case the Cummins pulls loads up the hills better but the PSD runs faster off the line. So which one do you want? Personal slams don't do any good.

 

[John Berger]

Like I said in another post. Those guys have no sense of humor.

 

[Sky]

Them boys just need a little education. I wanted someone to ask why the F-550's and up have Cummins in them? I saw one the other day it sounded wierd comming from a ford.

 

[Texas Diesel]

ford-diesel

They seem to me to be very arrogant a$$'s. Why dont the phord nuts ever talk about cold starting? My phord Navistar ( ex Inter-Trashional) would not start below 35F. You could run both batts flat, jump it till your legs got tired and nothing. My ETH/DEE is more comfortable, doesnt grind third (like the phord did) will out pull and out run it. You couldnt GIVE me the phord back. I've had both unlike the arm-chair experts at ford-diesel.com, but what do I know????

 

[DRR-24V]

Good Job Bob. ! When reading your post I knew you were going to WIRE them boys. You get my vote for the guy most likley to Start A Riot In A Rest Home !!

 

[Alan Reagan]

After reading that post again I thought I'd take a cut at the psychic hot lines responses/predictions or whatever they are called. Mr. Gooch's assumptions are in quotations.



"I know which one will pull slower for 400K. "

Ford on the uphill and Cummins on the down. So when do you want the speed?



"I know which one will need an injection pump at 400K. "

Psychic. I missed this one. Which one is this? Ford uses the high pressure oil pump (required for the HEUI system) that has had some problems and I thought both used the Bosch fuel pumps.



"I know which one is quieter and smoother. "

Chevy



"I know which one has a flatter power/torque curve. "

ETH Cummins



"I know which transmission and transfer case, and truck will die first. "

Another psychic. The roofing contractor that did my house at the end of last year has a 2001, PSD F-350 that had the rear axle replaced at week three and the transmission at week 5 of his proud ownership. He's got me here. Which manufacturer is it? I think all three have problems in that area. I've read of Dodge problems on this site and Ford problems on the Ford site and Chevy problems on the Chevy site. By the way, check the latest J. D. Powers "still on the road" survey. The point, Mr. Gooch (assuming that is your real name)?



"I know which motor company puts their diesel in a truck with a 30,000 lb GVWR. "

Must be the Ford. Georgia Ports Authority uses the Cummins B5. 9 in the yard trucks that move up to 80,000 lbs NET wait throughout the port area every day. Yeah... . the vehicle is rated for it.



"I know 5 is bigger than 4 , but 5 X 6 (cyl) = 30, and 4 X 8 (cyl) = 32. So sometimes size doesn't matter. Fewer may need to be bigger, and more might be ok smaller. "



What's this one about? We talking displacement or something. Uhhhhhh. Yeah the PSD has more displacement. And put it in perspective... . the higher displacement, more cylinder PSD produces about the same horsepower as the lowely 6 cylinder Cummins. And where does the PSD stand with respect to the Duramax?





Let me add a couple to the list:



I know which one will crank on those days when it's so cold that the tidy bowl man can skate in the tank.



CUMMINS



I know which one will have the most entries in the Classified section called "Trucks for Sale".

Check your paper Mr. Gooch.



I know which one has the turbo bolts fall out.



I know which one will have to have the high pressure oil pump replaced.



I know which one Cackles, cavitates, uses a dual mass flywheel, has glowplugs... ... .







Now with all that said, I'll say this. I like the PSD. I like the Cummins. Both are good engines in good trucks. Both have had problems. Both can be driven and touted by a$$es. Don't you agree, Mr. Gooch?

 

[Max340]

????

Other than the obviously misguided assertions (400k out of a PSD? Even Navistar doesn't claim that) its mostly give and take except for the direct shot at one truck in particular.



But after a deliberate, pre-meditated flame post over there, you expect them to react any differently?



IOW, don't whine when the animal reacts to your teasing.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Well put Alan