Competition Who Exactly Is Edge Fooling?

[RacinDuallie]

Really? Are they fooling anybody here? Look at the current Diesel Power Magazine and right there on the cover is a old dated pic from the weekend on the edge show..... yup the same pic we've all seen for some time now . And they go on to say that they are dominating diesel racing? I ask them this- where? I reckon the publicity machine at Edge has some more money to pump into their advertising that in my eyes is FALSE! How are they dominating with a suggested rumor run of 9. 03? And it's just that RUMORS... . To me and quite a few people here, this article is a slap in the face towards the current Qwickest-Greg and the Dr. Performance truck and Keating Machine and Scott Bentz... ...

All that money that they invested in that truck and that's all they can muster is a rumored 9. 03 ? ?

And they go on to report the same old lines of over inflated estimates for H. P. and Torque. And even the same line of ACCEPTING THE CHALLANGE. Same old hubbub malarkey that we've all read about. But we never see any factual results-just more publicity dollars being pumped out with high expectations and NO RESULTS.....

Am I the only one seeing their trend here?

 

[RacinDuallie]

Keith- As the hired shoe of this out of control publicity machine could you shed some information here?

Have you in fact piloted this publicity machine to better times than Keatings 8. 90? What about Greg's 8. 72? And who did you dominate?

 

[LPreston]

I picked up a copy last night. Wow. How long has this issue been out? I figured Greg would self-combust on the spot.



Interesting how the year in racing excludes Greg, the Bentz family, Eric and Keating for fast passes. Anyone that reads it cover to cover would also see the Dr P ad with Gregs time.

 

[RacinDuallie]

I picked up a copy last night. Wow. How long has this issue been out? I figured Greg would self-combust on the spot.

Interesting how the year in racing excludes Greg, the Bentz family, Eric and Keating for fast passes. Anyone that reads it cover to cover would also see the Dr P ad with Gregs time.

Yeah I bet he has a facial tick from that issue... . :-laf

 

[RacinDuallie]

I give Greg, Keating Machine and Scott much props for their efforts, my hats off to you guys.....


But after reading that malarkey I couldn't contain myself to see the utter disrespect they have towards the racers that are in fact faster than them, and I listed them above. again much respect to you guys.

 

[COMP461]

Its all about the almighty advertising dollar , If A magazine will stretch the truth on this for a advertiser , what else will they make up in road teat , like the hand Grenade ball bearing turbo’s , that everyone on here knows are coming apart right and left.

If the same old deal tell a lie, tell it often enough, and everyone will believe it. The marketing department , is telling everyone that calls edge and ask that their truck is domination motor sports , and ids the fastest diesel around , and using this to sell product.

I have seen under the hood of the edge truck at the SEMA show , how , ILL never tell, its nothing but a 12 valve truck , and its heavy , it has more Gale Banks Engineering Product in it then Edge product , the pistons were done at GBE , from Ross forgings , every where they have gone in the drag racing world , they are not welcomed back , Call Jerry Bickel , they have spent a huge amount of money , and have nothing to show from it but a show truck and a novice driver , that at one time knew everything , now says he is just a shoe . .

 

[RacinDuallie]

There ya go Edge- responces from the qwickest and second qwickest who you have DISRESPECTED. ..... Shame on you.

 

[Timbeaux38]

If the same old deal tell a lie, tell it often enough, and everyone will believe it.

You know how many people buy banks stuff because of it?



Fact is, if that truck never runs, it wont matter. Nobody outside of this community knows much about the real fast guys. And everybody that it matters to already has a bombed truck... ... ...

 

[sbentz]

Nobody outside of this community knows much about the real fast guys.

Prolific. Truly.



What I have seen, and heard for 4 years now, is the same BS that has haunted the racing game for way too many years: Marketing. It is not what you do, but what you spend to market a product that gets coverage.



Who "gets the press" is who "buys the press". Now that said, I do appreciate the coverage that we get, as I am a racer, not a vendor. I do everything I can to help my sponsors. Why? So that they will get our car in shows, in events, and in the press.



Hopefully, as this sport grows, the racing coverage will be more of that: Racing coverage, not Info-mercials that highlight the advertisers.



The guys that I am impressed with are the ones that do it all themselves, and are innovators. There are those that keep it quiet, and share nothing, and there are those idiots like me that will tell and show it all. You know why? Cause we love the game. We want more to play, and maybe, just maybe, we will share a few things, learn a few things, and go home to cook up a new trick or two.



C'mon. The more the merrier.

 

[RacinDuallie]

Prolific. Truly.

What I have seen, and heard for 4 years now, is the same BS that has haunted the racing game for way too many years: Marketing. It is not what you do, but what you spend to market a product that gets coverage.

Who "gets the press" is who "buys the press". Now that said, I do appreciate the coverage that we get, as I am a racer, not a vendor. I do everything I can to help my sponsors. Why? So that they will get our car in shows, in events, and in the press.

Hopefully, as this sport grows, the racing coverage will be more of that: Racing coverage, not Info-mercials that highlight the advertisers.

The guys that I am impressed with are the ones that do it all themselves, and are innovators. There are those that keep it quiet, and share nothing, and there are those idiots like me that will tell and show it all. You know why? Cause we love the game. We want more to play, and maybe, just maybe, we will share a few things, learn a few things, and go home to cook up a new trick or two.

C'mon. The more the merrier.

Very good post Scott! I couldn't agree with you more! You guys deserve MORE PRESS. . . . . You guys definately earned it!

 

[Sled Puller]

I have seen under the hood of the edge truck at the SEMA show , how , ILL never tell, its nothing but a 12 valve truck ,. .

Last I heard, they pulled the engine for that show, it was just a shell..... ?



And if it is a 12 valve, so what? Maybe you need reminded that 12 valve Cummins hold the HP and TQ benchmarks.

 

[JoshPeters]

Last I heard, they pulled the engine for that show, it was just a shell..... ?



And if it is a 12 valve, so what? Maybe you need reminded that 12 valve Cummins hold the HP and TQ benchmarks.

And I'll bet that the moron sales person at the show... . 12v or not... said it was chipped!



Josh

 

[RacinDuallie]

Man, I was gonna put up with all the excess Ford crap that Diesel Power puts in their rag of a mag and actually purchase a subscription, just to hear about the few Dodges that they put in there, now I can see that it would be money wasted. How could you believe anything they print now? I mean correct me if i'm wrong but from the cover shot to the text in the story, is basically the same old stuff we've all seen and heard from the Weekend on the Edge? I mean they must take us for being blind and stupid, we've ALL seen the same story and heard the same lines word for word. Where's the advancements? Where's the DOMINANCE? And just who are they DOMINATING?

I hate to say this but could it be that after all this time that Greg could actually be correct? That they are a NO GO SHOW BOAT? I am sure the publicity guys at Edge are patting themselves on the back for this cover spot and article. But I see it a different way, as well as the rest of us. It's clearly published for us to endure AGAIN Rumored to run a 9. 03? Clearly everything about this truck is just that- rumors, and rumors is another fancy liberated word for LIES... ... ... .....

If I was Greg, Keating, or Scott, I'd be seriously p-ed off at the supposed claim of Diesel Racing Dominance... ... .

 

[ob1kobi]

If Greg, Keating, Scott, or anybody else are ticked, then they can easily get ahold of the magazine and complain or even have a story made about themselves, and in turn show that they are truely faster.



Outside of this board, who has honestly heard of these other trucks? I think we are probably privy to more information than the average reader, and that is who the magazine is directed at, the average reader.



I don't blame the magazine for this at all, I think it's the fault, if you want to call it that, of the Egde publicity department which is obviously doing a great job. Marketing is everything these days, why else does Banks sell more than anybody else?

 

[RacinDuallie]

If Greg, Keating, Scott, or anybody else are ticked, then they can easily get ahold of the magazine and complain or even have a story made about themselves, and in turn show that they are truely faster.

Outside of this board, who has honestly heard of these other trucks? I think we are probably privy to more information than the average reader, and that is who the magazine is directed at, the average reader.

I don't blame the magazine for this at all, I think it's the fault, if you want to call it that, of the Egde publicity department which is obviously doing a great job. Marketing is everything these days, why else does Banks sell more than anybody else?

No- I lay part of the blame on the magazine editors- they are supposed to publish factual truths not made up fantasies... ...

 

[ob1kobi]

I agree, but playing devils advocate here, what exactly makes a fact a fact, is it based upon all information in existance, or is it based upon all the information that you know of? Could it be that they simply don't know of these other rides (doubtful but again just playing devil's advocate here)? I completely agree that the article could have and should have used some different phrases to describe the Edge truck, but I don't necessarily agree that its the magazines fault. Banks products are a perfect example, and almost everybody still thinks Fords are the best diesels out there, are all these people alse wrong, just misinformed, or do they just not know about what else is out there? I just think its a fine line between these and it doesn't take much to fall onto either side is all.

 

[RacinDuallie]

Ted,
I think by just doing a simple search on the NHRA site, NHDRA site and the DHRA site would easily show anyone the truth. And what about the magazines proof-readers and editors? ? No, this smells and looks like a rat. IMHO.



Keith- Chime in anytime... . Enlighten us. . . . . . . You drive the thang-or don't you? Hmmm.

 

[ob1kobi]

There is no way a magazine could take the time to verify every detail that is told to them, that is what retractions and corrections are for, every magazine and newspaper out there have them in just about every addition. The proof readers and editors aren't there to verify the facts of the articles, they are for looking at spelling and layouts. All magazines and newspapers are like this.



If we want to prove them wrong, then its up to those that are faster or there sponsors to do so, not the magazine. If you didn't know of the other vehicles, and you saw the Edge truck and were told that it was the fastest out there, wouldn't you believe them also? Most probably would.



I doubt the majority of those people working at the magazine have much diesel experience anyhow. I know Matt has alot of experience, but I don't know how involved he is with the rest of the magazine outside of his articles, maybe he can chime in with an opinion, although I haven't seen him on here in a while. Matt you reading this?



Again, just being a devils advocate here, I do agree that what they printed was not entirely correct at this time.

 

[ob1kobi]

and Keith is never going to admit what they have or have not run, why should he or perhaps more appropriately why would he want to? If he does get on here and say that he has run those times, we will want to see a time sheet, which he isn't going to show cause of the information that others would gain from it thus in turn using it against him in yet another ******* contest that would erupt. Say he did admit it, and produce did produce a time sheet, still nobody saw the run and he would probably get treated similiarly to what Comp is treated cause there will always be non-believers. Its a lose lose situation for Keith, so he will take the high road and let the Edge mis-information department do what they are supposed to do, generate sales for Edge. It has worked for Banks for years now.



Bottom line is that until we see the truck in action, its all left up to speculation. As far as I am concerned, Keating has the fastest truck, and Scott is the fastest rail.

 

[RacinDuallie]

I see your point Ted. And by all means I'm not calling Keith out, I was just fishing for some truth to the subject. I have nothing against Keith... ..... And your absolutely correct about the retractions part too. . . . . . . . . .




But then again they do an article on the DHRA events don't they?? Seems like they don't have to go far to get the truth... .....