Who had the 'Dead Pedal' issue on the 2014?

[rrl989]

I've slipped off the go pedal a couple of times and found out what this "dead" means. Really no different than my previous 12V that did nothing for 1-2 secs before boost. If 1-2 seconds are putting you in danger then you could re-evaluate your driving skills/habits and remind yourself that an 8000+ lb. truck requires a different skillset over a car.

 

[cerberusiam]

A lot of us have been "lighting off" MORE than 850 tq for years and never broke anything

Pah! Not that they will admit to anyway. :-laf THOUSANDS have found out what can be broken with that much TQ, every single piece of the drive line right to the wheel studs. Some just refuse to admit it is not cheap parts but too much power and\or a lead foot.

EVERY single one of these trucks are heavily TQ managed or they would just puke the tranmissions guts in the middle of the road. No matter what the published numbers say it doesn't happen on demand. The higher the ratings the more management it takes. Not a gasser, not a sports car, not going to run and drive like one. Rolling into the throttle minimizes the lag that is there. Just means the operator has to be smarter about choosing the situations and timing.

Far cry from a safety issue. Much more a lack of driver recognition and execution problem.

 

[Powder Extreme]

Okay let me rephrase that.

A bunch of us have been able to handle even more power without breaking anything when we drove sensibly.
My point is, our old trucks were considerably faster than these new ones from the start (even stock). If the old drivetrain was able to absorb the tq required to get the rigs moving at a fast pace back then, the "new improved" drivetrain should be able to handle at least that much.

Surely the Aisin is better than my Allison, just ask anybody on this forum, lol .
But seriously, I would think the Ram's drivetrain is at least as strong as, if not stronger, than my GMC. Yet the GMC will spank the Ram 3 ways from Sunday off the line and initial acceleration.

 

[SnoKing]

To me the issue is when one wants to do something like make a left turn between on coming cars and you hit the throttle and get a delay in the trucks response. My old 2001.5 is fairly quick and very predictable! Having to change my driving style because of a glitch in a new trucks programming does not cut it for me. The more people that file complaints on www.safercar.gov the quicker this will be addressed. SNOKING

 

[DonFitzwater]

"Far cry from a safety issue. Much more a lack of driver recognition and execution problem.[/QUOTE]

I can tell you haven't driven one of these..........it's not consistent in the way the "dead pedal" presents itself. I'll go days at times without the truck doing it and then Bam! I have no throttle.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Double post

 

[cerberusiam]

Surely the Aisin is better than my Allison, just ask anybody on this forum, lol .

To quantify that statment you have to qualify "better", then the problems start. Does the Allison perofrm the same or better as an AISIN behind a 380/850 engine? The engine and transmission programming, which now includes the turbo, are all tied together. The Allison\Dmax combo accelerates better but how LONG will it do that compared to an AISIN\6.7 combo with their repsective programming? It is all programming and until that can be changed still have to learn to drive with it.

Dodge, or any other manufacturer, has never been that responsive to something that is not generating huge warranty or safety issues.

To me the issue is when one wants to do something like make a left turn between on coming cars and you hit the throttle and get a delay in the trucks response. The more people that file complaints on www.safercar.gov the quicker this will be addressed. SNOKING

Is it a glitch or is it designed in to minimze emissions\stress and maximize longevity, thats the question. If the engines dies when stomping the accelerator that would be a safety issue. Turning left in front of oncoming traffic is up to the driver to do it safely, if the truck won't do it as qickly as a car that is drive error not safety issues.

 

[MJWenrich]

If all trucks so equipped did the same thing I could agree with Cerb and others that it is programming and done on purpose. But not all of us have the problem. I have mentioned this before and keep getting feedback from those who do not drive these trucks. As I have mentioned before, I drove a same engine/trans equipped truck but with different options and it did not have the lag. So that tells me that it is a programming problem...not our driving. This is dangerous and to lay it off on poor driving is a mistake. I just got out of my 325 HP 2004.5 and really enjoyed the fact that I did not have to program in the lag factor. It too is an 8000 Lb truck with the options on it. So let's work on a solution.

Mike

 

[Powder Extreme]

Well said! It's definitely worse on my '13 then my '14.
Was non existent on my 2010 and my 2007.5
None of my GMC's ever did it.

It's not simply "learning to drive". I have well over a million miles in light duty diesels alone.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

To me the issue is when one wants to do something like make a left turn between on coming cars and you hit the throttle and get a delay in the trucks response. My old 2001.5 is fairly quick and very predictable! Having to change my driving style because of a glitch in a new trucks programming does not cut it for me. The more people that file complaints on www.safercar.gov the quicker this will be addressed. SNOKING

I hate to agree with this guy but he is correct. I don't want the government involved in any more of life but to get Chrysler's attention, this might be the correct route to go.

The property owner next to mine bought a 2014 that has the weird throttle delay and both of the 2014 trucks I've driven had it. It's not a lag like waiting for the turbo to spool. It's a flat out dead spot where the pedal is applied and the engine does not react for a delayed time period. My first, second or my current 3rd gen have throttle lag; the 2014's have dead throttle.

 

[genomagg]

my 2013 has a similar problem. start to pull out at light, let up cause the guy in front hesitated and go back to accelerator and nothing happens dead pedal for maybe 2 seconds. feels like a minute, sitting duck in intersection.

 

[Larry Willard]

I notice it more when changing lanes on the highway and accelerating hard. Seems like several seconds until there is any response to the throttle on the floor.
Larry

 

[MJWenrich]

Yes. Both of the above. It's like the computer is thinking about it and finally decides to say it's okay to go. I've seen faster decisions from the Supreme Court. If I press any harder I am going to knock the fuel filter off the engine with my foot. I might add that it seems a gradual acceleration works a little better but that is not what I need passing traffic.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

I read something tonight on forum B that claimed to have turned off the "hill start" something or ruther that is set to on from the factory that completely cure the dead pedal issue. I think it read that it was deactivated through the EVIC functions????! Anyone else know about this?

 

[bigblock_doc]

I'm so glad that someone else has this problem. Dealer thinks I'm nuts. They never heard of it
and no record of this on the books at Ram.
Well so far so good with the removal of the throttle valve.

 

[Ram4Sam]

I read something tonight on forum B that claimed to have turned off the "hill start" something or ruther that is set to on from the factory that completely cure the dead pedal issue. I think it read that it was deactivated through the EVIC functions????! Anyone else know about this?

Yes, it can be turned off through the Nav soft keys, at least on the Laramie. Turning it off for me didn't make a difference for me as far as the dead pedal issue. That being said, My "dead pedal" isn't really that bad as others are saying. It is a tough thing to judge as everybody has their own expectations and perceptions as to how a truck should perform.

Sam

 

[photowrite]

I read something tonight on forum B that claimed to have turned off the "hill start" something or ruther that is set to on from the factory that completely cure the dead pedal issue. I think it read that it was deactivated through the EVIC functions????! Anyone else know about this?

Yep, I've got a '14 Tradesman and turned off the hill start assist using the EVIC.

That's the end of my input, I have a manual transmission.

 

[Bug Out]

Same issue on my 2013. If I'm at a intersection, hit the throttle like I want to go, then pause, then go, the delay is too long before I get throttle response again.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Yep, I've got a '14 Tradesman and turned off the hill start assist using the EVIC.

That's the end of my input, I have a manual transmission.

You're killing me with the manual transmission comment. Just when I decide to become less of a man and go the auto transmission route, you sling mud

 

[Bill]

Not in my 2014 2500 4x4, 3:42 gears, short bed!!!!!