Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Who has the most miles on their FASS fuel pump??

[tractorface]

DE,

Don't remember where I got the switch I'll see if I have the receipt and let you know. I bought it online somewhere. As for the wiring, I used the OEM pump harness to energize the coil on a relay attached high on the firewall. I was going to use a spare relay slot in the OEM box under the hood but never got around to messing with that, maybe someday. The power source is fused under the hood at the battery, this eliminates the fuse at the FASS under the truck as it was prone to corrosion and caused me problems once before. I used 14 gauge wiring instead of the 18 gauge supplied with my original harness, 14 gauge was as large as you can go and still use the connectors supplied. (they are nice and can be reused) The last and maybe most important point is to make sure you run a solid gound from the green wire on the pump to the negative terminal of the battery. For me the best/easiest place was under the battery ground on the fender. wire to wire all the way to the B- terminal Hope this helps

SS,

My FASS was noisey and getting louder. Hard to explain the sound but if you have ever leaned to hard on a 1/4hp drill motor and burned it up you get the picture. Pump sounde like it was working really hard. I thought about wiring a simple ampmeter in line with the pump to give me a visual indication of how the pump was doing. This would also let you know when to change the filter. The harder the pump works the more current it will draw.

 

[rkressg]

I have been running a FASS for over 2 years with over 60k on it with no real problems. The only things I replace are the filters every other oil change (7000mi). I had to replace the pump relay (two days after installing, mark that up as a defect), so that cost about $10. All in all, I consider the FASS to be a reliable solution.



As mentioned earlier, the FASS is new, and like any product, takes time to refine. My company (Bombardier) is still improving designs for rail systems as old as BART (over 30 years). Developing quality products takes time and nothing is perfect when new (look at the new Ford with the 6. 0l). I personally feel that the FASS is a good product (better than some others, but not perfect).



One can not judge a product by the bad words of the few. As I noticed earlier, someone mentioned 33% failure rate. That could be true (I highly doubt it), but that does not indicate the type and severity of failure, nor the conditions that were the root of the failure. Does this number count everything from a blown fuse to a destroyed FASS? Everything mechanical has a DUTY CYCLE and it WILL fail.



Usually, only those with problems complain and those who have a unit that operates perfectly, do not complain (also mentioned earlier). This fuel system is better than stock (and I stand by that). If one wants a perfect system, than look elsewhere (I doubt you will find a perfect system). I have never personally owned or used a RASP, so I can not comment on it. Previous to buying a FASS, my truck destroyed 8 lift pumps (in 50k). I am still on the original FASS (60k). In the area of fuel supply, I have nothing bad to say. I do not know the actual RWHP of my truck, but I can slip (more like spin, and soon to be replaced by a SBC DD12c 3850) a SBC FE clutch like it is stock, and the fuel pressure of the FASS never drops more than 2psi.



On the subject of installation, a good install job will always outlast a poor quality job. I see this every day at work. The data communication equipment we build in house is always of the highest quality, the stuff we sub-contract to build on customer site (usually on projects outside of USA) tends to have lower quality and requires more maintence. So, a quality installation will greatly decrease the chance of a premature product failure.



Heck, the FASS I have has lasted longer than any VP44, or clutch used on this truck (slightly molested engine).

 

[RowJ]

25,000 miles... running perfectly!



I have recommended the FASS to serveal others... three of whom did their own install and... . long story short... had several different problem. All these problems could be traced back to their install job. (took a long time before they learned enougn to be able to realize that).

Between their problems, and their awareness that the problems were self induced, they had very unkind things to say about the FASS pump!



Being "electrically challanged", I had mine installed by a seller who has installed over a dozen... and mine purrs along at 14. 5 psi with no problems!

In my case... money well spent!



RJ

 

[TKC]

I have installed many and not one has come back with problems. I have over 60K on my personal truck.

 

[dieseldude]

my fass isn't very old I have probably put 10,000 on it but if I remember correctly they state that there pump will last 600,000 miles

 

[RAJohnson]

I have had my FASS Installed for two months or about 1200 miles. I have not had any trouble with it mechanically. My stock lift pump was running 9-10psi Idling, 7-8psi cruising and drawing down to 4psi @ WOT all at 77,000 miles. So I decided it was time to changer it out with a FASS before it left me stranded. I run a electrical Auto meter fuel gauge and am seeing a constant 15-17psi since I installed the FASS. I did have a little erratic fuel pressure after installing it, due to the electric fuel pressure sending unit, but Brad with FASS was great to talk with and new exactly wich snubber by part # to purchase and install in the fuel pressure line to eliminate that. Now that I have good fuel pressure I feel I can start waking up my truck with a Edge Comp and not have to worry about hurting the VP44 with to low of a fuel pressure or lack of fuel (lubricant) for the pump. I did my research before purchasing the FASS (here on TDR threads) and (by calling FASS) and learned that most of the problems were from the early versions of the FASS pump, while they were shaking out the bugs. I believe they have the bugs out and that it a great upgrade to the stock lift pump by dodge.

 

[gotchili]

can you tell me the Napa part # on the filter?

 

[SDR]

Fass

OK, lets sound dumb, what does FASS stand for ?





I have 126,000 on my 2000 Dodge Diesel 4x2 and not a problem one... ..... with the fuel delivery... ... ... . Oo.



I answered my own question on the Google Search;

Our own in field tests have proven the FASS to improve the following:



Reliable and durable pump and system equipment

Increased throttle response

Easy start up

Reduced in cab noise

Idle is very smooth and quiet

Decreased black exhaust smoke

Increased fuel economy (measured while off-road)

What more could one ask for ? :-laf

 

[johncameron]

Fuel Air Separation System. I only got the pump so what would that be called??

 

[RWatson]

I installed mine approx 5 months back and have maybe 3K on it. After 2 stock pumps which when they were working at optimum performance managed to give me a whopping 11lbs at idle and would drop to 6lbs WOT, I now have a solid 15lbs at idle or WOT.



IMHO the product is well designed and built very solid. For those who want to find fault in the system and say the failure rate is high, I am sorry to say that there is no perfect product. Every manufactured product out there is going to have a percentage of failures, yes EVEN Maytag, especially in it's early stages of development and production.



I also watched the many threads before I decided to go FASS and one thing I noticed along the way was that with each new bug reported, we saw a solution or fix offered. The system appears to now have had many improvements made to it, many compliments of our experiences, but all the same these problems were recognized and improvements were made to enhance our experience and the reliability.



With that being said come ask me in a year what I think and I can only hope that I will have the same feelings about the product

 

[JTHosler]

Chili,



Just got a part# this morning for the NAPA filter (1724). The guy that installed my FASS has a couple customers running this filter with without any trouble.

 

[CrewCabDiesel]

I have about 75,000 miles in 18 months on my FASS and no problems except I need to install a part to block some check valve. I found out the hard way on a cold day in winter that you sould prefill the filters on the FASS when changing them. The check valve got stuck and the FASS customer support told me to smack the pump with a hammer to free it up, yea it worked but seem a little shade tree at the time . I still need to call them back up to get thier fix for it, the newer pumps don't have that problem according to FASS. Other than that the FASS works great and the lowest I can pull the fuel pressure down to is 13psi with the edge comp set at 5 and pushing 44lbs of boost. I did build my own relay harness when I installed it and left the OEM fuel heater/filter inline. Over all after replacing 5 lift pumps by the time the truck had 100000 miles the FASS has been a great upgrade and would buy another for my next truck. I just notice that I have owned my truck for three years as of the 9/13. I bought my truck over the internet and picked it up on friday the 13th 2002. Current miles 175,000 , bombed miles, 106,000 :-laf . total down time from break downs 0. You think I am due for a 100k TDR grill badge ?

Kyle

 

[SKargo]

4 of us at the dealership run them, with zero problems so far.

As I run the accessory department, and work in parts, I've recommended several, also installed with no complaints. Guess we'll just wait and see, but I feel confident in my FASS pump, enough to recommend my customers to NOT buy the stock crap.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Hey Tractor. Nice to see you again. Do a search on RASP. They have their problems to.

YUP - I suspect that if there were as many RASP and FASS systems running out there on our trucks as the stock setups, we'd find (GASP!) just as many failures, complaints and problems per thousand units as with the stock setups...



Even THIS thread provides a significant number of issues with it's VERY limited number of users - multiply those by a hundred thousand, and...

 

[BPollister]

Anybody with a pump FASS pump on a 3rd gen

 

[bpenrod]

Mine has been on for over a year now. Works great!

 

[SKargo]

I was talking to a customer today who bought a new turbo for his 99. He told me he has a trailer hooked to it 6 days a week, and has been hard on it. He has 130K miles on his stock LP. You never know I guess, my pre-FASS lift pump went up at 65K.

 

[steved]

I ordered my FASS for my 3rd gen just last week... I didn't see more than 80k out of my 99's stock LPs... figured the newer ones are not any more reliable. Decided to go with a FASS because of the filtering... made me a little leary running their pump through the stock filter... might push dirt through it?? So I went with the FASS instead.



I agree with what was said... for every 10 bought, one is going to have issues... and those people with problems will be the first to tell you! It is the same for anything.



steved

 

[cwarner]

I've got about 25k miles on mine. I've only recently developed some problems. About 2 months ago it just quite working. I tapped it with hammer and it started. I then went thru all the electrical connections and put dielectric grease on them. It was fine after that. About 2 weeks ago I installed the check ball, and brush update and it has been fine until today. It stopped working again, tapped it , and it started back up.

So now I've got to try and diagnose what is the problem. I ordered the system with the harness that just plugs into the truck.

Is there an additional ground that I need to make this work right ?

 

[Jed]

20,000 and no problems. Mostly dry conditions with some creek crossing thrown in installed in jan 05