Who's making 500+ HP

[DHRA]

Getting in here late, but I have for fuel: 20% Injectors from Scheid, BUlly Dog PP on 90, TS Performance Power Play MP-8 with dial 1/4 way up. For air AFE hooked to a set of Scheid towing twins (HX-35 with a S-400) and a pop off valve keeping it at 50 psi so no head gaskets problems. EGT's are usually 1050 at heavy throttle unloaded (truck weighs 8200 lbs) and 1180 going through the mountains with a light load (2000 lbs). Turn the TS Power Play off and get 18. 8 mpg or keep it where its at for 17. 4 mpg. With 8000+ lb trailer from Indiana to Vegas 11 mpg and 1504 degrees EGT at WOT.

Oh yea 506 hp and over 1000 lbs/ft of torque.

 

[Tomeygun]

598/1108 on a similar set up to what Pier's mentioned minus the cam and injectors.

Stock injectors, right?



Cause thats what I'm talk about!!!!!

 

[lmills]

stock injectors. . in fact this motor has never even had the valve cover off. studs are in the very near future, but as of now it is stock gasketed, stock bolts, and stock internals.

 

[SRadke]

Dang! I can't compete with this guy. I was hardly breaking 500 and I took my valve cover off to do it. Shucks. I'm shooting for 600 now..... Just so I can get a leg up on Lloyd and try to stretch my head bolts to the point of NEEDing studs



-Scott

 

[BIG BOB]

Dang! I can't compete with this guy. I was hardly breaking 500 and I took my valve cover off to do it. Shucks. I'm shooting for 600 now..... Just so I can get a leg up on Lloyd and try to stretch my head bolts to the point of NEEDing studs



-Scott

I appears that most that are reaching 600 HP are running twins, TST, and the Crazy Larry with stock injectors. Seem like the Crazy Larry is missing in your combination. Have you addressed fuel supply? That also may be something to look at.

 

[Tomeygun]

I appears that most that are reaching 600 HP are running twins, TST, and the Crazy Larry with stock injectors. Seem like the Crazy Larry is missing in your combination. Have you addressed fuel supply? That also may be something to look at.

As much as I hate the idea of a programmer, I might just have to get a BDDL to stack... But then you dont use the EZ right?

 

[SRadke]

Well... . I like to be diffrent. And I dislike the idea of programmers. I'll stick to the boxes I've got for now.



You're probably right about fuel supply Bob. That's on my list but I need to remove the bed to so some rear suspension work so I'm holding off to do the install till then. 600 on the stock lift pump would be cool though wouldn't it. Why not, I got 500 through the stock clutch



-Scott

 

[DLeno]

wow! my fuel pressure drops to zero at about the 100HP level. That means the absolute pressure at the CP3 inlet is exactly the same as atmospheric pressure.



hmmm. I haven't tested beyond 100HP but certainly could. I have my Airdog installed so that I can switch back and forth between it and stock.



so far the biggest benefit to the downloader is timing w/o a connection to the cam and crank. pressure and duration are doable with a box, but in order to get more than low single digits of timing advance I think you gotta either use the DLer or hook something up to cam and crank (TST).



I wonder about stacking TST and the DLr. ok I admit I'm conservative and I guess there is no carnage yet. But you gotta know thats pretty agressive timing advance to combine what TST feels is the max with what Bullydog thinks is the max! Aside from timing, the only thing that the DL can bring to the TST party is pressure. Are you TST+DL guys really getting more power than the TST+pressure guys?

 

[Diesel Nut]

I need to get on a dyno. Just installed the TST and Ramifier last night. Sure as heck is fast, but I don't really know what kind of power to expect on the dyno. Hope I am knocking on 500's door, but I don't think I'm there yet.

 

[jglasgow]

David Dunbar Dynoed my truck about 3 weeks ago at Pageland dragstrip . I forget to turn off the EGT defueling on the TST box and the first 2 runs were around 470 hp, he checked it before the 3rd run and it was still set at 1300*. He turned it off and my truck went 597 hp with no Tq reading. I have the TST twins program running on 4/4, The BDDL on performance mode (90hp), 40hp edm injectors and a B1 kinda sorta hybrid on top and a B2 on the bottom. I think I can crack 600 hp If I get it on the first run.

John

 

[lmills]

wow! my fuel pressure drops to zero at about the 100HP level. That means the absolute pressure at the CP3 inlet is exactly the same as atmospheric pressure.



hmmm. I haven't tested beyond 100HP but certainly could. I have my Airdog installed so that I can switch back and forth between it and stock.



so far the biggest benefit to the downloader is timing w/o a connection to the cam and crank. pressure and duration are doable with a box, but in order to get more than low single digits of timing advance I think you gotta either use the DLer or hook something up to cam and crank (TST).



I wonder about stacking TST and the DLr. ok I admit I'm conservative and I guess there is no carnage yet. But you gotta know thats pretty agressive timing advance to combine what TST feels is the max with what Bullydog thinks is the max! Aside from timing, the only thing that the DL can bring to the TST party is pressure. Are you TST+DL guys really getting more power than the TST+pressure guys?

you tell me? have you seen 600 with just twins tst and pressure? I could be wrong, but I have only heard one person claim that it has been done , but I have yet to see any proof.

 

[DLeno]

yea I've only seen TST + pressure in the 525 region or less. thats without injectors or cams.

 

[Diesel Nut]

With both mods ( tst and bddl) doing the same thing, what are you gaining? Also, is this possibly damaging? I don't mean the whole "anytime you mod your truck . . . " damaging but, what about overadvancing the timing and streching the duration too far? I ask cause I don't know. I was always told not to stack boxs of similar function. Please, educate me on this!

 

[BIG BOB]

As much as I hate the idea of a programmer, I might just have to get a BDDL to stack... But then you dont use the EZ right?

Yes, you are correct.

 

[Tomeygun]

With both mods ( tst and bddl) doing the same thing, what are you gaining? Also, is this possibly damaging? I don't mean the whole "anytime you mod your truck . . . " damaging but, what about overadvancing the timing and streching the duration too far? I ask cause I don't know. I was always told not to stack boxs of similar function. Please, educate me on this!

I honestly have NO idea... I guess maybe the way the timing comes on is different then the way the TST does it and they would good togther. Also keep in mind the BDDL does fuel really hard down low, Myabe it gets the TST rolling much fast, makeing more HP ??



All I know is some people with BDDL (CL edition) and TST are putting big numbers down!

 

[DLeno]

I honestly have NO idea... I guess maybe the way the timing comes on is different then the way the TST does it and they would good togther. Also keep in mind the BDDL does fuel really hard down low, Myabe it gets the TST rolling much fast, makeing more HP ??



All I know is some people with BDDL (CL edition) and TST are putting big numbers down!

From the theoretical standpoint, note that the TST extends duration and advances timing beyond stock values. With the DLr, there are new "stock" values! so the dowloader will:



1. give additional timing advance. since TST is a static advance, the total timing advance is the additive combination of the DLr + CDS. Whatever timing advance the DL gives, TST adds to it.



2. raise rail pressure. this will force a higher rail pressure for a given injector duration. keep in mind that injector duration is a combination of the new DLr mappings and whatever extensions TST makes on top of that. this means that a given horsepower will be obtained at a lower HP setting on the TST. I expect that the opportunity to make more power with the TST is with the careful addition of pressure. This is probably why those with a customized pressure box (don M, for example, or TS) do well.



Another thing -- with the very radical timing advance accomplished by the combination of new DLs maps and TSTs own advance (accomplished via cam and crank signal fooling), very large injector duration values would be possible while keeping average timing advance reasonble. So to me this is both a benefit and a concern for this combo. During high power level delivery, injector duration is very long, so the radical timing advance is not as problematic in terms of the average. Still, before I put that comb on my truck I would want some evidence that things are not seriously out of whack.



At idle or light throttle, the average timing may be more radically advanced than at 500 HP. All depends on what the DLr maps do. What ever they do, TST adds several degrees to it. And with a short injector duration (light throttle, rail pressure up, etc) , all the fuel gets dumped in very early.

 

[Red Bear]

What can I expect???

I am modifyng my 2005 3500 DRW as we speak. Sheid Twin turbos w/ATS intake manifold, TST box, 80hp injectors. Banks intercooler w/high ram air intake. Suncoast extreme duty upgrade to the transmission (48RE). Heads have been fire ringed and studded. What kind of boost and HP can I expect to see from such a set up?

 

[SRadke]

I am modifyng my 2005 3500 DRW as we speak. Sheid Twin turbos w/ATS intake manifold, TST box, 80hp injectors. Banks intercooler w/high ram air intake. Suncoast extreme duty upgrade to the transmission (48RE). Heads have been fire ringed and studded. What kind of boost and HP can I expect to see from such a set up?

I'd guess ballpark 500-550, depends on your injectors.

 

[lmills]

some people just don't get it... ... :-laf

 

[Red Bear]

Need More Knowlege

What are these TST Twins I am reading about? And what is a Bullydog Crazy Larry?