Who's your family protector?

[The patriot]

40 S&W

The 40 was developed as a direct result of the famous "Miami shootout" in which about 6 FBI agents got their clock cleaned by two bad guys.

Results were the agents delivered several shots that should have stopped the two BG's, but their 38 special ammo didnt do what it was supposed to do. Furthermore several agents were toting snubby revolvers, which dont help in velocity.

They then ran a bunch of tests and adopted the 10mm and the S&W 1076 pistol.

This was too harsh in the recoil dept for some agents.

S&W was approached to develope a "lite" 10 mm. They had the idea that they could shorten the old 10mm to the point of fitting it into a 9mm size gun, and also have the advantage of a larger capacity.

The 40 S&W was born.

Whenever a major federal agency adopts a new weapon, state and local depts arent far behind. Which is probibally the reason there are more "stops" with the 40 than any other.

Having said this, I prefer either the 45ACP, 38 super, or the 9x23 (38 super on steroids )

I have by my bedside an old S&W model 19 in 357. Federal 125 gr HP's in it.

This is rated at 98% "one shot stops" if placed properly.

Better than the 45 or the 40.

Got the two dogs outside. The mutt will put on a good show, but that's it.

The german shepherd seems like she'll be happy to protect anything on the property in any way she could.

She's still a puppy.

Eric

 

[KBennett]

The post wanders and the argument continues....

9mm vs 45 vs 38 vs 40 vs Glock vs Sig vs Kimber vs Amsoil vs Delo vs Dmax vs PSD vs Cummins.



We all have our preferences I just hope everyone out there practices hard and often to become a better shooter. If you hit someone in the X with anything that penetrates they are going down.



Dl5treez, does the broken glass cause a dangerous obstruction in the 12 ga. barrel?



Anyway here are some pics of my alarms:



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Prince Jackson Copper a 75lb Viszla



Gunner "The little guy" Biscuit a 14lb Miniature Pinscher

 

[Got Smoke?]

Originally posted by Rams-n-Hogs

Ben and Dakota. Ben never says anything. Dakota is the alarm. He distracts the intruder by trying to play with him, while Ben sneaks up on him. Ben is the big one.



Jim

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Are those Husky's? I love Siberian Husky's. I will have one after I get some things paid off and another clutch in the truck!



We have a I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER zu that stays in the house with us (me, mom, and dad). He's a real good alarm unlike my Border Collie outside. He's a great big baby but he barks all night!



Oh yeah my Remington 11-87 is hanging above my headboard incase I need it during the night!

 

[Chris N5CWM]

weapons thread or attack dog thread?

I've had my S&W 4006 . 40 since Feb 1993. Even back then it was know to be the caliber to have for overall protection. The 10MM was too hot of a load, the . 45 was too heavy of a hitter (a good thing in some situations, but not when you miss a few and the round goes thru two houses next door). The 9 is a good round but if you are trying to stop a really BIG fella all it will do is **** him off.

For early warning protection, it's the Three Stooges. . Min Pin, Bichon and longhair Chihuahua. . they'll bark at anything they see or hear which gets old during the day but it's nice to know they will wake us up at night if someone were to break in while we're asleep.

 

[Chris N5CWM]

Oh and as for knockdown power, my bud has a 444 Marlin lever action rifle. I have video that is fun to watch in frame-by-frame.

We shot some 1 gallon milk jugs full of water with it. One fram the jug is there, next few frames it's just a blur of the water spraying out like an explosion, then just a fine mist settling down the area. We have a hard time finding any plastic from the jug! Hitting the same thing with a . 357, . 40, etc just puts a big hole in it and sometimes knocks it over.

 

[DKayser]

45 ACP

JyRo & TT1, The old 45 is a proven commodity. Parts , brass, bullets, clips, leather... ..... You name it, they build it for the 1911. It IS the 12 v of pistols: simple,yet effective. Reliable,accurate, and with the load a friend worked up, very controllable. We are using 5. 1 grains of 231 with a 200 grain SWC bullet. Feeds good,makes major easily if you are at an Practical type match,& just flat impresses those on the wrong end. As a young pup, I once was in the E. R. with the Ex, who was an R. N. I asked the Doc about gunshot wounds. In his opinion, the body felt the first hit and the rest simply were letting blood out & air in. He felt the brain was likely to tell the body to give it up if hit #1 was solid, and with sufficient OOMPH. I took this to be a recommendation to use a large caliber that would penetrate,expand, and leave allit`s energy in the recently deceased. Sorry if this is grim reading. The original statement about eventually wanting one is not an original thought, I just agree with it & the author: G. Gordon Liddy. DK.

 

[The patriot]

Re: The post wanders and the argument continues....

Originally posted by KBennett

9mm vs 45 vs 38 vs 40 vs Glock vs Sig vs Kimber vs Amsoil vs Delo vs Dmax vs PSD vs Cummins.



We all have our preferences I just hope everyone out there practices hard and often to become a better shooter. If you hit someone in the X with anything that penetrates they are going down.



Dl5treez, does the broken glass cause a dangerous obstruction in the 12 ga. barrel?



Anyway here are some pics of my alarms:



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Prince Jackson Copper a 75lb Viszla



Gunner "The little guy" Biscuit a 14lb Miniature Pinscher

Eric

 

[JSmith]

I have a Russian Turn Over. He will rush a trash can and turn it over. He is also an early warning, that is why I got him. For intruders there is the 1911/45 acp. Yes the caliber works. I trust my life to this caliber. The 45cal worked in the 1800`s and the 1900`s. Don`t fault the gun (1911/45acp) if you can`t shoot it or handle the recoil. My 10 and 14 year old kids shoot the 45`s and the 44mag with no problems. The 45acp was developed because the US Army needed a round that would stop the enemy as the 38spl did not. The 45acp has save a many US service mens lives. In the war soldiers want to get rid of the 9mm(nato round) in favor of the 45acp. But because of politics our armed forces are stuck with the nato round. An inferior round, IMHO.



In my mind the 45acp is the cummins, the . 40 (sounds like a big beer:-laf) is a power stroke, and the 9mm is the dura max.



The cummins and the 45cal have been around the longest of the three mentioned cals and diesels.

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

Got Smoke,



Yep, Ben is a mix, (husky, malamute, and wolf), and Dakota is supposedly purebred, including blue eyes. He's the wild one. You don't want to come up against Ben if his teeth are bared. He isn't so likeable then.



Jim

 

[Will24]

Our first family dog (when I was 4 we got her) was a Wolf-Hybrid - 2/3 german shepherd 1/3 timberwolf. People have a gross misconception about wolves. Our dog was the friendliest dog in the world to people she liked (and she was smart, she knew who was a threat to her and her family) Not once in the 11 years we had her did she EVER even snap at me, my brother, sister, mom or dad or any family or friends. We had a not so friendly neighbor that she escorted off our property a few times though





The only bad part was she was EXTREMELY territorial. The neighbor mentioned above had a particularly nasty 3 year old male husky (that was later put to sleep for killing sheep. ) Well, our wolf was 11 years old and she had cancer (she was being put to sleep the following week... ) Well, the neighbors husky wandered on to our property where our dog was just sitting around because she was getting pretty weak, and the husky decided to screw with her. Well, long story short, the husky got 350 stitches and our dog got a milk bone





Anyway, just had to share that





-Will

 

[CPG]

John Moses Browning was a genius. The ACP 1911 shows the fact. All others were follower's.



Chuck

 

[HBrunton]

SIG SAUER 40 S&W. after that I am helpless because my border collie is a puss. He runs behind me and then becomes very vocal. He lets me know when someone is in the driveway thogh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Crazy Horse]

AK-47

 

[Got Smoke?]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse

AK-47

:--) ME WANT! :-laf

 

[EricBu12]

2 Miniature shnausers Bark LOUD and often!!



357 with hollow points Thatl-doerOo.

 

[DHayden]

You guys don't have pics of your pooches?

 

[Crazy Horse]

Here's Buck,

 

[EricBu12]

heres our little beggers! They know how to beg to! Make a moaning in their throats. . Pathetic.....



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[The patriot]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse

Here's Buck,

Uhhh... he looks hungry.

Eric

 

[Crazy Horse]

He was actually "playing" when the picture was taken. Here's a better picture of Buck (right), and Tye.