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I was just going to leave this alone, but after my comments against southerners in another thread, I felt I should at least partly expain my aversion toward that area, aside from the bigotry, racism, narrowmindedness, and the intolerably hot and humid summer weather.



In 2002, I had a business buying hay from KS and MO to resell to better-to-do horse people in the Colorado Springs/ Castle Rock area. I was doing ok, even made enough money to afford a bigger trailer. In NOV02 I went (came?- I'm here, again) to Sikeston MO to one of the factories and picked up the trailer, which was an 18ft 12K-lb flatbed. Not the most ideal, but I had an 11ft flatbed on the truck, so it balanced out- I could still haul 8-10 tons at a time, and planned on working up to a GN flatbed in the 30ft range. I had picked up my trailer, and was on the way to Mom's house, when I decided to stop by and visit a friend I hadnt seen in a few years. As I was driving on the outer road, a 96-ish Dodge 1/2 ton came at me, half in my lane. He DIDNT move over, so I hit the brakes to lessen the impending impact. The rig pulled to the right, dropped all the wheels on the soft shoulder, and ended up losing it for a few seconds, I swerved across the road and back twice before landing on the bank of a 12ft deep drainage ditch. Old man just kept tooling along, didnt stop or nothing. I went to the fertilizer place half a mile away to call the state patrol, and the dispatcher said she'd send someone out right away. Being next to a major highway (US 60, I wa on the outer rd), I figured I'd see someone in a few minutes. Waited half an hour; no one showed. I called a friend of mine to come pull me out, and him getting there, deciding how to do it, etc, took another 20 minutes. Still no patrolman. So I took the truck and trailer to my firend's (the one I was on the way to visit) shop to check out the front end of the pickup, and make sure everything else was still ok. While en route, I noticed the same Dodge pickup behind me that had run me off the road before. I stopped, making no real effort to get out of the way, but still allowing pasage if the guy REALLY wanted to push it. I walked up to the driver's window, and asked if he's been there half an hour or a little more before.

"Yes. "

You see that pickup and trailer go into the ditch?

"What? I didnt see nothin'. I never seen that pickup before in my life, or that trailer. " His tone and demeanor has changed considerably, so I asked if he had seen the skidmarks where I had left the road.

"I didnt see no skid marks. "

Sir, if you missed THEM, you have no business driving.

"I dunno why you had to dodge me, there was plenty of room for you to get by. "

So you WERE there?

"yes. "

I aksed him for insurance information, and he refused. I offered to let him give me a couple hundred dollars cash, and leave the law (which we later found out he basically OWNED, via campaign contributions) out of it. He didnt like that idea.

We went around for a couple minutes. He kpet telling me to take his license number and turn that in. I asked him what good that would do. (I was genuinely curious- what good would it HAVE done? Cant get an agent to file a claim from a license number).

I gave up, and turned to go back to my pickup. About the time I got to the front of his pickup (I had been at his driver's door), he got out, and stumbled, tripped on his own feet, somehow ended up on his back out of the truck. I offered him a hand, and got a dirty look. I thought "screw you" then, and went back to my pickup after making sure he was up and alive. I moved my pickup off the road, and went about my day, intending to file a report later, and try to get some insurance info- it was Mom's pickup that had been mangled around, and if I hadnt tried to contact the, SHE would have.



I called the partol about an hour later, after several attempts from my firend's house to get through. They referred me to the Stoddard County Sheriff's Office. (The slickness of this move will come to light later in the saga. ) So I called the SC sheriff's office, and told them my story. AFter the dispatcher took my name and address, she told me it was a Patrol matter, call them back. OK :confused: Something wasnt adding up, but alas, I was still young and naieve, I was about to get a WHOLE lot wiser... ... ...



I had left my trailer at my firend's house, as Mom's was in no shape to tow a trailer, or I at least wanted to get it checked out. I had to repair some wiring from the accident, and was getting it all back together. Sheriff's Deputy pulls up and tells me he wants to talk to the owner of the trailer. I told him that would be me. "Well, we're here to arrest ya. " Mind if I ask why? "The old man you got into the argument with yesterday pressed charges against ya, and I's here to take you in, and we'll see if we cant get it taken care of. " THere were two of them, and the pickup would only go 100, so I figured, keep cool now, the time will come to fight this, like in a court room. I didnt see daylight for a month... ... .
 
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continued....

I had been charged with Class C Felony Tampering. (old man was a good friend of the prosecutor's :rolleyes: ) I asked the jailer what this was about, as one of the conditions of my bond (which was $50K, CASH ONLY) was to avoid a KM, and his family, home, place of employment, etc. I aksed who he was, and the jailer told me he was "the old man ya beat half to death yesterday. " What? I hadnt been read my rights when arrested, but I had watched enough TV, and knew to keep my mouth shut, and just shrugged it off. I was booked, given my new clothes, and assigned a cell, with two bunks, and, later, two cell mates. Talked to the Public Offender the next day, and asked him what this was about. "You know dammed well what this is about!! The old man has a broken rib!! Your #1 right now is to remain silent, and I suggest you exercise it!!!!" Ok, this is looking worse. I called a friend of mine (collect) and told him I'd been arrested, and I think it is in connection with the old f**ker I ran into yesterday; could he call Crystal (then- fiancee) and tell her what was going on? I didnt know whether to scream, start killing people indiscriminately, or just sulk. So I did what I had the most experience in- I just sat there, in my cell, thinking about what the heck would we do, what would happen next, etc, etc.

One week later, the charge of Class A Felony 1st Deg assault was added to the list. Mom and Squeek (his nickname- good friend of ours, with a little cash stashed for a rainy day) had hired a lawyer, who turned out to be a regular player in the Gestapo, though we didnt know that at the time. (he later suggested we revoke the change of venue, as BW- the prosecutor- was such a devisive character in the county)



THREE WEEKS later, after not working for 4 weeks, and customers asking Crystal where I was, the bond was reduced to $25K cash or surety. Squeek sprung for bail money, and i was let out of jail. Squeek GAVE me a load of Bermuda hay, and I set out to Colorado, with 7 tons of hay. I got there, and sold some hay, but most of the customers I'd had lined up had found hay elsewhere, and I was just SOL. Preliminary hearing was delayed twice, once because the old man didnt show up; second time due to weather. The stress of looking at 10 yr minimum sentence wasnt doing much for my blood pressure, and not making as much money as I needed was adding to it, along with my fiance's aparent (to me) inability to handle her own emotional probelms just kept adding up.

Case was set to go to trial ~April 20, 03; then about the 15th, we found out it had been moved back to June 27. OK, I'd find something to do for some wage- better than nothing. I passed several opportunities to make $12-15/hr because I'd have to go to court two states away; no one would hire me, only to have me need a week off or more a month later. Fiancee and I called it quits the 12th of June, as I was fixing to board a Greyhound to MO. (convenient- she waited till the last frickin minute to tell me; and they accuse men of hiding stuff and being sneaky). We had decided I'd just go back ot MO early for the trial- "it was just too much on her. " Gimme a break. I came back to MO, to find out the 23rd that the trial had been delayed AGAIN. Moved to Aug, then Nov. My money pit decided to take another deposition (he had taken one in Jan 03) from the old man, and KM shot himself in the foot every time he opened his mouth. BW decided to drop it to a Class C, 2nd deg, with a Suspended Imposition of Sentence, unsupervised probation, I stay out of Stoddard County. I said ok, IF I could still own a gun ,vote, etc. Lawyer said I woudl be able to. Court was set for March 3, 04, 15 MONTHS after the event in question. At the last minute, the old man decided he needed $10K in restitution for his emotional distress of having to relive the incident so many times, only to have it delayed every time. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I said heck no, and told my money pit to tell BW what he could do with himself and his white powder. (Ohhh yeahhh; he's a coke addict- they tried to get him on it a few years ago, but he bought himself a fall guy, and is still in office). So my lawyer offered a counter of $1500 or so. It eventually got dropped to $6K. I initially though the same as with the $10K; but got to thinking- I can get OUT OF HERE, and make some money, maybe; more than I'm making now. OR, we could go to trial, with the possibility of purchaesed jury. Even if BW doesnt buy a jury, there is still the old age sympathy factor- old man, been here his entire life, beaten up by an out of town thug from Colorado. Not to mention the guilty till proven innocent trend in our society today. So I went for it. I am not a felon, but I have lost everything important to me- home, business, marriage- because of some old b@stard that made a campaign contributuion to a coward with a law degree. I am broke, cant even afford to file for bankruptcy- I still have the loan I took out to buy the truck and trailer almost two years ago now- and am behind in everything. I am living "at home" again; cant even support myself; what the he!! good am I, anyway? I have days where I hate everyone I see, just because of simple geography. My family thinks this is all my fault, because I have an "anger problem. " (translation- I dont spill my guts to THEM everytime something bothers me, I deal with it, like a normal person, or if I DO tell someone, it isnt them) Hmmm..... Yeah, everyone is supposed to just LOVE being taken by our justice system, and a good ol boys network; screwed by a lawyer interested in helping his friends in the courtroom (caught a few offhand comments he let slip- a "box of cashews" to the judge after p!$$ing him off the day KM was a no show; "letting me win this one, you get to win the next one. "), and not giving a rat's behind about my right to work and make money and try to get ahead, or at least catch up.

Sad thing is, my case is the rule, rather than the exception. There was no real evidence, but I couldnt afford to keep putting it off- I might have done something i'd have been caught at; though I cant really say I think I'd regret it. I hate my family, too, now. Squeek (aside form those on this forum whom I dont tick off) is basically the only firend I have, but with the family I have, if friends are remotely like them, I'll take being alone, thank you.



Now maybe you'll understand my hated and avarice toward all things southern, though it really is unfair to the 300 good people south of the Mason-Dixon line. I'll try to keep out of threads thusly related, but I cant help an occasional comment now and then I cant wait to leave here and never return. THis is my definition of Hades.

Daniel
 
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Just like TV! Bj and the bear driving through hick towns, dirty coppers, judges etc! Awesome!



Kansas or Missouri are not in the south, are they?



Obviuosly, you needed to get a better lawyer and sue the pants off everyone involved.
 
If you think that what happened is only possible in one part of the US you are mistaken, it can happen in any part of the US, and in the country and the city!!! I have lived in every major part of the US, and it happens everywhere (Sad to say!!!!).



Bad drivers are everywhere, locals siding with locals against outsiders, locals HELPING thier relatives/friends against outsiders, happens everywhere. Isn't right but it happens.



Some of the worst cases of racism, locals like you describe, are happening right now in the north, east, west, and south (though the south gets the lions share of the publicity, cause it makes good easy TV news???)



Glad you were not hurt, and have to agree with Gene, get a better lawyer, and maybe an agent for a made for TV movie, and then possibly there will be some profit in the incident for somebody (though probably not you)?
 
I used to drive big trucks, had my own authority, the whole nine yards I got out of it for the same reasons, that and no money.





I'll never forget the advice my insurance guy gave me, If there is no way to avoid them safely, hit them. He said you don't want to be the one explaining to the cops about the car,deer,ufo(insert your favorite) that jumped out in front of you. If you hit them you remove all doubt and in most cases the insurance co. have someone other than you to make good.





Just like the lady on I-95 she cut the tanker off and kept going. It was a small miracle she got nabbed.
 
I will do my best to remain cordial in this.



First of all what you went thru is a crappy ordeal to say the least and I'm sorry it had to happen. However, I can understand why it happened because the parish (ya'll call them counties everywhere else) I live is is just as crooked with the Sheriff being the biggest drug dealer who has all the good stuff. This is not a problem common to only the South, as it happens in every other part of the country as was said earlier.



People living in the CSA have a different outlook on life and community that most everyone else can not fathom. We look out for our neighbors first and foremost, we honor our families, and we know and embrace our proud heritage. We get dealt slack, and are stereotyped as backwards, ignorant, slave-owning rednecks. The fact is that before being conquered, we were the wealthiest area in this country and leading exporter in the world. Our lands and people were forced at gunpoint to live under rules and laws that were unjust and illegal by any standard. We had no UN to defend us nor any other nation to side with us. Our lands were ruined, our homes burned to the ground, our property stolen, our children beaten, and our women raped by the glorious Union Army. All of this was approved of by your great leaders Grant and Lincoln. FYI, Lee and Davis were not slave owners just like most other Southern men fighting in our defense. However, grant and Lincoln held slaves for almost a decade after the war, and Grant was quoted as saying it was "because good help is hard to find. " People that do not live and deal with the level of stupidity that us Southerners live with see us as racist. If you had to go to work every day with a man that has nothing more than a 5th grade education, who can not speak understandable English, etc. and you are told that you have to treat him as your equal you would get irate too. If this same person gets a handout from the government SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, yet you have to pay taxes and stuff higher because you are a white male, would you also not be upset. People from those areas other than the CSA do not have to deal with this on a daily basis and therefore can not understand the reasons why we think and act the way we do. This types of things have been occurring since 1865 and will continue to do so until white people open their eyes, grow enough gumption, and fight for a change. If only people would take some time to study the real history of the War for Souther Independence, you might see that what you were taught all your life about us is totally false and opposite. however, in order to cover their butts for the illegal war they waged, the US government rewrote history so that they looked benevolent and us Southerners are evil.



Yes, we are very different and we take pride in that. The difficulty you faced was not just, but part of life. Personally, I hate that it happened. However, you know nothing about the South, so how can you try to pass judgement on us? If you hate us so much, then by all means leave and don't come back because we don't need nor want you here with that mentality.



Brian [><]
 
I've lived in the South my whole life - Arkansas, North Carolina, and Texas.



I meet people everyday on the wrong side of the road.



It's not the South, but a Good Ole Boy small town/community that did you in!



Happens all the time everywhere you will go.
 
Dan, I live in MO. also, and have been a participant(chump) in court a number of times for traffic, assaults, and divorce, have spent a fortune on mouthpieces and not once felt vindicated much less won. Going to a topless bar is a better investment than an attorney, at least everything is in plain veiw and you'll only be mad at yourself when you blow your money. MO. being #1 in meth does nothing for young white males getting a fair shake either especially in rural areas. I lived in the south when I was in the Navy, and I really liked it, but as Jet said you are more a victim of goodoleboyism than anything else, the mills of justice turn slowly,but grind finely, nobody escapes that. Good luck w/bedbugging in colo.
 
Rebel, et al-

First, I'll commend you on your attempt and relative succes at cordiality.

Yes, MO is part of the South, at least this area- just ask any local yokle with a rebel flag in his pickup. [no flame or dig intended THERE]

I know from an objective standpoint that it was a case of local drug dealers/ crooked politics/ wrong place- wrong time that did me in, and that it could have happened just as easily in Denver as in MO, VA, TX, or Canada. BUT, I grew up here and have wanted to leave since I was 6, and first experienced July without being soaked in sweat and being able to breathe. You have idiots, cowards, and people paid off everywhere you go. They just seem to be concentrated more heavily in this area. And, growing up an only child, being a loner, I just cannot fathom standing beside your kin, beer buddy, etc, no matter what, just because he is who he is, and no other reason, regardless of the overwhelming evidence against him.



I dont like the lack of financial opprotunites and freedom in this area. I know people who have gotten up, worked their 8-5 or 3-11 or whatever, gotten their paycheck, and never gotten anywhere, just beacuse there is nothing else. I tried getting a second part time evening job last summer, because farming wasnt coming out to "all the hours I wanted. " People looked at me like I had two heads, and needed to be committed.

I see your point about the stupid black person you cant call on his stupididty becasue of the color of his skin- I believe that is called reverse discrimination, Rebel; BUT you chose to live in that area, and you have pros and cons everywhere. One has to decide what he can and cannot live with or without. I personally cant stand all the racism here- the more racist people arent as good as the n__ers they are trying to put down; nor the fact it takes a minimum of 3 months to find a $7/hr job; or the bugs, humidity, lack of winter. BUT, I have also worked with my share of whites that have a 5th grade education, cant speak decent English, and you have to treat them as a god because they's the boss's kin, or been at the same job for 15 years w/o a promotion or raise. Nevermind that they are rude, narrow minded, ignorant numbskulls that dont deserve to be paid to pick up trash. Not to say everyone from the south is like that, but there seem to be an disproportionate number, esp here in MO. I especially dont like how the more ignorant ones band together- it's as bad as a bunch of illegals that swam the Rio Grande.

Believe me, If I'd had the money, I'd have left March 3rd and never turned back. People around here arent real fond of cowboys, and I fit in better out west.



HEMI Dart- I never touched the old b@stard; though in hindsight..... He must have broken it when he fell onto the asphalt, or he broke it somewhere else; he had 6 or 8 healing fractures according to medical records.



I had a crappy lawyer, to say the least. There were several times he could have ripped into the coke snorter, but they were buddies (he let that slip, but Mom had already given him $10K... ), so it just wasnt gonna happen. Squeek had the brains to mention some political candidate for office, and the money pit said he supported so and so- WIFE of the judge who held me in jail for a month, just because he could, without cause or reason other than that was how he did it. Then the lawyer had the balls to mention Dems being FOR civil rights. Yeah, glad I had my boots on; what about MY civil rights when I was sitting in jail, already stretched too thin, and not making any money? If it hadnt been an assault case I'd just come from, I'd have broken his jaw.

They are all in it together; it's a game to them, no matter if it's LA county, El Paso County (though I'm on the right side of the Good ol Boys network there), Laramie CountyWY, or Dade CountyFL. One is best to leave the law to their way, and go your own; avoid all possible entanglements. Now if the rest of my naieve, trusting family could see that, I might talk to them once in a while.



-DP
 
JPope,

There are a few of us who have been skewered by Stoddard Coutny, and are trying to figure out how to at least get the judge, prosecutor, and "my" lawyer disbarred at the very least, short of making SURE they are asleep;) One thing that hurts me, is I figured that IF I could leave, I'd be ahead of the game financially in a year or so, and anyone from outside here will ask "why didnt you fight it and get acquitted?" Um, purchased juries, lawyer not fighting too hard for me, because it was his wine buddy in the opposite side.



SO, that said, what would be our best route to take to find a way to get them brought to the light of day? My cousin (the one I get along with) had thought the ACLU, but I really hate to get involved with them... ... . Anywhere else? The government schools tell you NOTHING of how stuff works; but they teach us how to get along and how to not get our prom dates pregnant before graduation. MOST of them paid some attention, though we had a few girls walking up to get their diplomas with a beer belly;) or a belly indirectly caused by too much beer?
 
The state disiplinary council of the Missouri Supreme court does the Disbarment. I got involved with that once when The I found out the judge in a case I was involved with against a Hospital was also on the board and his father was on the hospital board also. He declared a misstrial after finding out I intended to have him disbarred. . When re- heard by a different judge the jury decided in our favor then the judge set the verdict aside and rendered a verdict in favor of the hospital saying the jury did not enter a correct verdict. We could not appeal because the appellate Judge was on the board of the hospital (father of first Judge). I was also told by a local attorney about a sherriff that would take his criminals to a pay phone to make 'annonomous' phone calls so they could get search warrants to snoop around where they wanted. One of the convicts that made a call had called his attorney to find out how much time he would get off for doing it. Welcome to the Southeast Missouri Legal System. :confused: :mad: I've lived here for 46 years and can't wait to get a way. All of our kids have left and I am sure this phoney Republican political crooked crap has had a lot to do with it.
 
Would think the best way to help this situation now that it has gone this far, is to get it out from under the rock, and in the public eye/forum, maybe higher legal authorities, like the State Attorney General (bet he actually knows what is going on there, but may need a case that qualifies to do something, maybe yours?). What about another lawyer asnd appealing the case (though lots of your $$$$$$ could be involved).



Maybe try the news, some stations have a reporter who specializes in this sort of thing for a start, though it is possible that they are also part of the good old boys network (at least the senior news guy or owner of the station/newspaper). Try a national news office, they often run stories about things like this.

60 Minutes, 20/20, John Stossel, type shows. They did one a while back about the Sheriff confiscating cars for trumped up traffic offenses/drug trafficing on Interstate 10 in Louisiana, and exposed something similar



ACLU and Bar association are other possibilities as suggested, though the Bar association guys often went to school with the guys,

you were facing, and may be oldfriends/school buddies/business associates (a la John Gresham novels themes).



Other possibilities, including avoiding it getting this far next time, but we have all faced injustices before and sometimes you can't win, take your losses and go!!!! Not a slam, just one of life's inequities, from my perspective.
 
If you try the news around here forget it . All they do is tell their buddies so you can be hassled more. The St Louis Post dispatch has been known to investigate these things. 1-800-365-0820:D
 
Council on Removal and Discipline of Judges

6933 Hampton AVE

St. Louis Mo 63109

1-314-352-6944



Chief Disciplinary Counsel

3335 American AVE

Jefferson City Mo 65109

1-573-635-7400





Not that I would ever want to stir the pot of these people that have screwed me and my family around. Especially since I haven't been screwed with for a while) . Justice is mine sayeth the Lord, and as my wife says, what goes around , comes around, and do I delight in seeing it when it happens from time to time. :D
 
dseabaugh, I respect your experience and your story. However from 50+ years of experience in S. W. Missouri, I can tell you the hucksters, liars, and crooks in the Legal System aren't tolerated in S. W. Missouri nearly as much as you report they are in S. E. Mo. I have friends who are City Attorneys and Judges in S. W. Mo, and they are Stand-up guys, who seek Truth & want Justice--even if that means some of the Town's Rich Citizens get their toes stepped on--(And they do). Recently an attorney in the small town I grew up in, who had a reputation for being a REAL double-dealing scumbag and a very powerful wealthy man as well, ran for a powerful public office and was soundly defeated because people knew what sort of a man he was.



My uncle was a Republican State Representative for 35+ years from one of the districts in S. W. Mo, and was a man of Honor. He and his family lived in a small middle class home--his wife (My Mom's sister) worked to help support the family. I'm sure he could have greased his palms if he had chosen to, but he never made that choice. No hint of scandal was ever attached to his name. There ARE Honorable Men of Character in Mo. politics--at least the part of Mo. where I am from.
 
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