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Why I hate the South......... LONG

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People living in the CSA have a different outlook on life and community that most everyone else can not fathom. We look out for our neighbors first and foremost, we honor our families, and we know and embrace our proud heritage. We get dealt slack, and are stereotyped as backwards, ignorant, slave-owning rednecks. The fact is that before being conquered, we were the wealthiest area in this country and leading exporter in the world. Our lands and people were forced at gunpoint to live under rules and laws that were unjust and illegal by any standard. We had no UN to defend us nor any other nation to side with us. Our lands were ruined, our homes burned to the ground, our property stolen, our children beaten, and our women raped by the glorious Union Army. All of this was approved of by your great leaders Grant and Lincoln. FYI, Lee and Davis were not slave owners just like most other Southern men fighting in our defense. However, grant and Lincoln held slaves for almost a decade after the war, and Grant was quoted as saying it was "because good help is hard to find. " People that do not live and deal with the level of stupidity that us Southerners live with see us as racist. If you had to go to work every day with a man that has nothing more than a 5th grade education, who can not speak understandable English, etc. and you are told that you have to treat him as your equal you would get irate too. If this same person gets a handout from the government SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, yet you have to pay taxes and stuff higher because you are a white male, would you also not be upset. People from those areas other than the CSA do not have to deal with this on a daily basis and therefore can not understand the reasons why we think and act the way we do. This types of things have been occurring since 1865 and will continue to do so until white people open their eyes, grow enough gumption, and fight for a change. If only people would take some time to study the real history of the War for Souther Independence, you might see that what you were taught all your life about us is totally false and opposite. however, in order to cover their butts for the illegal war they waged, the US government rewrote history so that they looked benevolent and us Southerners are evil.



The CSA ended about a 140 yrs ago. Being conquered? I believe it was you that fired on the north first. Why were you the wealthiest? Becuase you didn't have to pay for any labor because you owned slaves. Now laws that are unjust and illegal? What do you call slavery and segregation? Linclon never owned slaves, now his wife and her family did in Kentucky. Lee did own slaves on his plantation (which is now Arlington National Cementary). Why do you deal with poverty and illiterates? Because you didn't allow them an education. Forced them into seperate schools and treated them as second rate citizens. You have nobody to blame for that but yourselves. The real history of your "War for Southern Independence" is really fairly simple. You wanted to leave the USA because of the lack of states rights. Well what state right did you want? Slavery. It was you who fired upon the North first. What did you expect? a slap on the wrist? The south never really had a chance from their lack of manpower and industrial facilities. The only real hope they had to win was getting a foreign power involved, much like the UN would step in now. Many of your leaders did infact own slaves because many of them where wealthy plantation owners. Nathan Bedford Forrest was the one who started the KKK.



You sir are the one that needs to open your eyes and have enough gumption to see you were wrong and admit it.
 
Get your head out of you a$$. Ft Sumpter was in South Carolina which had seceded meaning we had invaders on OUR land, since when is south Carolina the NORTH? We fired on northern invaders.



Get it straight! War aint over BOY!
 
Sigh.



The war is over, the South LOST. They SURRENDERED.

The Yankees kicked Rebel tail. Period.

Doesn't matter what we want to believe, it happened.



That aside, I do believe in some of their ideals, but by running around shouting "We all is rebels!The south will rise again!" doesn't help the current state of affairs one bit.



Sons of the south, try learning from your fathers mistakes, and don't repeat them.



If anything, the south did rise again, as a lot of good paying Union jobs from the north went to the south. Of course they weren't good paying jobs anymore once they got there.



Also, they had to hire Yankees (carpetbaggers?) to come down and show them how to run the machines, and such. Some things never change!! LMAO!:D
 
Well at least you didnt try to defend the stupid, ignorant statement that, "The south fired on the North first"



aT LEAST you got that much sense sled puller :D
 
South Carolina was part of the Union before you decieded to succeed. And I think Fort Sumter was already there before you decieded to succeed. What happened was that the commanding Union officer for the harbor of Charleston, Major Anderson, moved his headquarters from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumpter. Major Anderson did this not knowing of the agreement between the outgoing govenor of SC and President Linclon that the forts were not to be reinforced and the status of the forts be unchanged. At the time of Maj. Anderson's move to Fort Sumter the new incoming gov. had already taken over for the former govenor. There was a brief exchange between Col. Pettigrew (CSA) and Maj. Anderson on the Dec. 27th where Pettigrew informed Anderson of the agreement b/w the previous govenor and Linclon and that he should move back to Fort Moultrie. Anderson replied he knew nothing of the agreement b/w the previous govenor and Linclon and that he was staying put because he had fears the South would attack Fort Moultrie. After this the CSA moved in and occupied all the other forts around Charleston harbor. On the morning of Jan. 9 batteries at Morris Island and Fort Moultrie fired on a Union resupply ship headed for Ft. Sumter. At that time Fort Sumter didn't return fire. After this there was a series of letters b/w Anderson and Beauregard. April 15th was the date for the withdrawl of the Union troops from Fort Sumter and that Fort Sumter wouldn't fire unless they were directly fired upon. But on the morning of the 12th a fleet of resupply ships gathered outside the harbor and at 4:30 that morning Beauregard's troops fired upon Fort Sumter.



But no matter how you twist it the SOUTH fired on the NORTH first.



Edit: you can read it here if you don't believe me http://www.civilwarhome.com/ftsumter.htm
 
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Yea, pretty much, unless there was a skirmish else where.



Things could have been handled a touch better, but them crazy Rebs thought they could shoot a bit, and Lincoln would let them go. Bad bluff.
 
I haven't seen evidence of a prior skirmish, other than the firing on the Union resupply ship.



And I agree things weren't handled the best.
 
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Rrausch, I well understand what you are saying. I have family on your side of the state that were attorneys and Judges. One is running for state office now I believe. There are just a few certain "clicks" and "buddy systems" around here that are laced together well enough that nobody can buck the system. As an example, I was elected treasurer of Cape County Democratic Central Committee. Most of Our customers are Republicans with a few bucks to spend and we only sell high end products. Our sales dropped to almost nothing. I'm talking dead. I mean my wife had to take a job to help make ends meet and we were still behind on things like utilities. I asked some of my customers what the problem was that they were nolonger doing business with me and was frankly told to get away from those 'damned democrats' and they would do business with me again. My wife and I kicked it around for a while and rather than go broke and let them play vulture over our considerable assets I resigned my post, resigned from being a committeman, quit going to meetings, quit making signs for candidates, and a week later it was back to business as usual. That was 11 years ago and I haven't been to a democratic funtion since. That is why I hate this area. Those that don't have to deal with this kind of people on a daily basis don't get caught up in the kind of crap that goes on, unfortunately I do. As far as dpucket is concerned, If it is not an injury accident , nor is blocking road way or of some immediate threat, it can easily be 2 hours before an officer arrives. they can be 40 miles away or involved in a more serious situation. Several of my Friends and customers have been MSHP and I have a great deal of respect for them. My sons best friends father Is a MSHP . There have been instances of a couple 'bad ' patrolman that I have heard about south of here , but for the most part I would wait for a MSHP officer any day of the week before a sherriff deputy. The sherriffs departments are getting better but still have a way to go before they earn my respect. The only problem is, that in Missouri , a sherriff has more power than a Highway patrolman, but the MSHP has proven to be MUCH less political and unbiased. At any rate I would not want any of their jobs and put up with the crap they put up with every day. Having done business all over the United States I have also found that in smaller populated areas those in a position of authority flaunt it and push it around and in large metropolitan areas they are such a speck in the sea that the people in those positions don't flaunt it or force it in your face. I think that is part of the way the patrol is. They are A large entity, being state wide and non political so no one pushes their weight around to show what a bigshot they are. I also have found that people in this area and Southern Illinois especially , resent anyone from outside their area coming in to do business. That is one I cannot figure out for the life of me, yet they let Walmart come to town and break every respected business in the community. /????????
 
Guys,

If you want to restart the Civil War, start your own thread!! ;) THis has nothing to do with the South of 150 years aog, it is the South today, and everywhere else cowards and crooks abound.



dseabaugh- Hate to burst your bubble, but this was a Dem county, with a Dem "defending" me. All he (and most other lawyers, i'd think) was after was lining his pockets, and BSing with his buddies, and getting off on their exercise of power, be it to good or evil. What really gets my goat is a) Mom normally tells EVERYONE EVREYTHING in my life (everyone asked me about that one afternoon with that one girl when I was in H. S. ;) ); this was one exception; and b) the locals KNOW this goes on on a regular basis; but they take a "if it doesnt directly concern me, i dont care" attitude; the ONLY time anyone minds their own business. One of Squeeks' cousins was arrested for felony (BW doesnt believe in misdemeanors) drug pre cursors for, are ya ready?... ... . having a 20# propane tank for his BBQ grille in the bed of his pickup. :mad: They suposedly thought it had anhydrous ammonia in it. No wonder the economy of this area is past the toilet- they arrest everyone for everything, and then they get fired from their job, boss has to find replacement... ..... So dont go blaming it on one party or another; they both have their evil doers.



rrausch- Do you know any of the Harveys from around Cassville? My roommate when we lived in Loveland was one; she had some family from Monet- her mom's side, and I forget their name. The few people I've met from your area DO seem to have bigger cajones and stand more on principals than they do around here. Maybe I just met the cream of the crop, as it were.



The rest of you who have PMed me- thanks for the support. I think the best thing for me to do, lest I grow a conscience one day and regret what I havent yet done here, is leave, learn what I can, and keep an eye on these "people" and come cr@p on their graves or laugh at them when they lose their jobs or get knocked off by a drug czar.
 
Originally posted by dseabaugh

As far as dpucket is concerned, If it is not an injury accident , nor is blocking road way or of some immediate threat, it can easily be 2 hours before an officer arrives.....



dispatcher sent the patrolman to the SOUTH outer road, when I specifically told her NORTH outer road. He was 5 minutes away, on US 60.







Having done business all over the United States I have also found that in smaller populated areas those in a position of authority flaunt it and push it around and in large metropolitan areas they are such a speck in the sea that the people in those positions don't flaunt it or force it in your face. I think that is part of the way the patrol is. They are A large entity, being state wide and non political so no one pushes their weight around to show what a bigshot they are. I also have found that people in this area and Southern Illinois especially , resent anyone from outside their area coming in to do business. That is one I cannot figure out for the life of me, yet they let Walmart come to town and break every respected business in the community. /????????



And then they gripe about their stagnant economies. I've had enough of small towns and their law for now. No one knows your name in a city or larger town, but there is a surprising advantage to anonimity;) Well said. Are you sure your a Dem? You sound like you might lean to the right:D;)

-DP
 
Thats probably all we'll hear out of them about it for awhile. Atleast thats been my expirences. Shoot a few facts out to counter what they say and they shut up. But ofcourse there are some stubborn ones out there.



Sorry to draw your post off topic.



Nathan
 
Ndurbin you obviously know only what the Liberals and the Gov taught you in a public school which is 98% incorrect. I'll a post a few books that will help educate you. And no I'm not an ignorant Southerner spouting BS. Take the time to read the books and you might understand a few things. Lincoln was dictator plain and simple that practiced Genocide as well as a huge list of other attrocities that would have by todays standards had him impeached or removed by other means. Of course when you imprison your own Senators and Representives as well as owners of newspapers for their beliefs who is going to speak out against the tyrant from fear of him killing them. As for Stoddard County I was born and raised there. And left as soon as possible. That same group of (elected) officials have ran that county that way for years. 20 years ago BW could always been found playing pinball down the street from the courthouse. He was addicted to that also. That county leans more towards the Redneck stereotype than the ones in SW MO. My Wife and I lean more towards the hillbilly/cowboy type and fit in quite well here in SW MO.
 
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THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT

MORE YANKEE CRIMES



By: Alan Stang



Because you are an Etherzone reader, you are too smart to be tricked two weeks in a row, so this week I shall play it straight. Let’s just browse through The South Was Right (Gretna, Louisiana, Pelican, 2000), by James Ronald Kennedy and Walter Donald Kennedy. For instance, remember Yankee General U. S. Grant? At the beginning of the war, his wife owned slaves. At the end of the war, she still owned slaves.



Her slaves were freed only after the war by the Thirteenth Amendment, not by Lincoln’s utterly phony Emancipation Proclamation. Grant explained, "Good help is so hard to come by these days. " Of course Grant was a notorious drunk; maybe he was drunk when he said it. As President, he ran a crooked show. Maybe he was still drunk.



Did you know that about 6% - six per cent – 6% of Southern whites in 1860 owned slaves? Let’s see, would that not mean that 94% - ninety four per cent – 94% did not? Among the did notters was the immortal General Robert E. Lee. Other Southern leaders who did not own slaves were Generals Joseph Johnston, A. P. Hill, Fitzhugh Lee and J. E. B. Stuart.









"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races. . . . I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. "



Who said that? Strom Thurmond? Adolf Hitler? No, the author of the statement was Abraham Lincoln, in an 1858 debate. Does that mean Lincoln was a Nazi skinhead? No, Lincoln was a Communist. Lincoln was our first Communist President.



Yankee Colonel John B. Turchin pillaged Athens, Alabama. In his presence or with his knowledge, his men "attempted an indecent outrage on a servant girl, destroyed a stock of fine Bibles, went to the plantation and quartered in the Negro huts for weeks, debauching the females, committed rape on the person of a colored girl. " They caused the miscarriage and death of a Mrs. Hollingsworth.



The truncated quotation above comes from the court-martial of Turchin, which also found that such outrages were perpetrated wherever Turchin went. Yes, this monster was even too foul for the Yankees. Notice that most of his victims in Athens were black. Indeed, Yankee soldiers ravished black women throughout the South. General Don Carlos Buell published the findings of the court-martial on August 6, 1862.



The matter went to Lincoln. What would you imagine that Communist monster did about this criminal who had been found guilty as charged? On August 5, 1862, after Turchin was convicted, the day before General Buell published the findings, Lincoln promoted Turchin to Brigadier General, in which capacity he served another two years.



The real reason for the war was not slavery but the tariff. Asked why the North did not just let the South go, Communist monster Lincoln exclaimed, "Let the South go? Let the South go! Where then shall we get our revenues!" The New York Times ran many stories to the effect that Yankee commerce would be lost to New Orleans because of the low Southern tariff.



The New York Evening Post said this: ". . . Allow railroad iron to be entered at Savannah with the low duty of ten per cent, which is all that the Southern Confederacy think of laying on imported goods, and not an ounce more would be imported at New York; the railways would be supplied from the southern ports. "



In other words, rather than compete, the Yankees elected to invade. As in an Al Jolson blackface routine, they belatedly chose slavery to becloud the utter criminality of their motives. To protect their profits they killed 600,000 men and innumerable civilians. They destroyed our federal system and gave all power to Washington, a danger the Founding Fathers feared most.



In 1807, New Jersey barred blacks from voting. In 1814, Connecticut did so. In 1822, Rhode Island did so. In 1838, Pennsylvania did so. In 1867, while Congress was forcing the South to accept unqualified suffrage, Ohio rejected a proposed law that would have allowed blacks there to vote. In New York City, Yankees kidnapped free blacks and sold them into slavery. There were 33 such cases in one year alone.



On April 2, 1862, Member of Congress John Sherman, brother of serial killer General W. T. Sherman, said this: "We do not like the negroes. We do not disguise our dislike. As my friend from Indiana said yesterday: ‘The whole people of the Northwestern States are opposed to having many negroes among them. ’ . . . "



Slavery was a permanent institution among African blacks long before the first white man ever set foot on that continent. Long before the English (our permanent enemy) and the Yankees got into it, the Arabs created the international slave trade. According to the 1830 census, free blacks in this country owned more than 10,000 slaves.



In Sumter, South Carolina, in 1860, William Ellison, a free black, owned 70 slaves who worked his plantation. In St. Landry Parish, Louisiana, Auguste Donatto also owned 70 slaves. He needed that many to work his 500-acre plantation. Even in New York City, eight free blacks owned seventeen slaves in 1830.



Did you know that while the Yankees still owned and traded slaves, Virginia made it illegal to import them? The law was enacted on October 5, 1778, when Patrick Henry was governor. It stipulated that any slave brought into the state would be free. Even before that, the Virginia House of Burgesses had many times tried to stop the slave trade, but was overruled by the royal governor. Later, Yankee commercial interests participated in protecting the "infernal traffick. "



According to President John Adams, slavery in the North was abandoned only because white Yankee workers refused to compete with blacks. ". . . The common people would not suffer the labor, by which alone they could obtain a subsistence, to be done by blacks. If the gentlemen had been permitted by law to hold slaves, the common white people would have put the slaves to death, and their masters too perhaps. "



Did you know that thousands of blacks fought for the South in Confederate uniforms? Why have we never seen this in a movie? More than 3,000 black Confederates under the immortal Stonewall Jackson occupied Frederick, Maryland in 1862. According to Yankee Dr. Lewis Steiner, chief inspector of the U. S. Army Sanitary Commission, "Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc. . . . and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy Army. "



Captain Arthur L. Fremantle was an English observer attached to Lee’s army. In 1863, in Gettysburg, he saw a black soldier in charge of white Yankee prisoners. Fremantle wrote this: "This little episode of a Southern slave leading a white Yankee soldier through a Northern village, alone and of his own accord, would not have been gratifying to an abolitionist. . . . Nor would the sympathizers both in England and in the North feel encouraged if they could hear the language of detestation and contempt with which the numerous Negroes with Southern armies speak of their liberators. "



Along these lines, what did Southern slaves say themselves? In the late 1930s, Washington sent WPA (Works Projects Administration) journalists to collect first-hand testimony from ex-slaves who were still alive. That testimony is maintained in the National Archives and is known as the "Narratives. "



No pretense is made here that all slaves felt as did the ones quoted below. Some may have strenuously disagreed. We also do not recommend that slavery be revived. (We are slaves of the federal government right now. ) But the Kennedys report that "a vast majority (more than seventy percent) of ex-slaves had only good experiences to report about life as a slave and about the Old South. "



Simon Phillips, of Alabama, says this: "People has the wrong idea of slave days. We was treated good. My Massa never laid a hand on me the whole time I was wid him. . . . Sometime we loaned the massa money when he was hard pushed. " (N. B. This is exactly the way the federal government recorded these statements – in dialect. )



Mary Rice, also of Alabama: ". . . Once when I was awful sick, Mistis Ma’y Jane had me brung in de Big House and put me in a room dat sot on de ‘other side of the kitchen so she could take kere of me herself... "



Elija Henry Hopkins, Little Rock: "I was fed just like I was one of the master’s children. They even done put me to bed with them. You see, this discrimination on color wasn’t as bad then as it is now. . . . In slavery times, a poor white man was worse off than a ******. "



Jane Georgiana, Alabama: "Ole Marster dead an’ gone an’ Ole Mistis too, but I ‘members ‘em jus’ lak dey was, when dey looked atter us whenst we belonged to ‘em or dey belong to us, I dunno which it was. "



Hannah Irwin, Alabama: ". . . An’ as for dey a-settin’ me free! Miss, us ******s on de Bennett place wuz free as soon as we wuz bawn. I always been free!"



At the very least, we have established that everything the Yankee monsters have told us is a lie. We need to know that, because only if we know the past can we influence the future. The Yankees understand that. Look at the enormous effort they have made to conceal it. Fellow Southerners, black and white! The "Lost Cause" of Southern liberty is not lost. The war goes on. As long as the principle of national independence survives, it lives!
 
mcoleman seems to be quoting a book that I hold true. For the sake of this particular thread, I have bagan a new thread titled Confederate History to discuss this subject. Hope we can keep bopth of these threads on topic and have some health and informed debate.
 
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