Why would anyone buy a new 2006 TD?

[y-knot]

Just wandering why anyone would purchase a 2006 Cummins turbo diesel when in 2007 they will come out with the new 6. 7L replacement? Especially for all the automatic guys, why buy the troublesome 48RE when next year you will most likely be able to get the Assign 6-speed auto? Just want to hear your reasons for not waiting. I really was not considering a new truck, but I think I would be real interested in the 2007 model.

 

[Got HO?]

Just wandering why anyone would purchase a 2006 Cummins turbo diesel when in 2007 they will come out with the new 6. 7L replacement? Especially for all the automatic guys, why buy the troublesome 48RE when next year you will most likely be able to get the Assign 6-speed auto? Just want to hear your reasons for not waiting. I really was not considering a new truck, but I think I would be real interested in the 2007 model.

The 48RE is "troublesome"? Gee, compared with the competition, I would say that it is anything but troublesome. I wonder how many owners of completely stock trucks would consider their 48RE's to be troublesome.

As for the 6. 7l, I want to see how it does with a few miles & a year or 2 under its belt. Methinks the displacement increase is to compensate for the more stringent emissions regs & the resultant loss of horsepower/liter. Don't know how much better it will be than a mildly tweaked 5. 9, if any.

 

[michaelRitz]

Why what for an 07? Heck I know I dont want the hassle of emissions. I drive a tri-axle dump so I am aware of emission regulations because in large semis emissions started in 2005. Many people bought all kinds of trucks prior to that because of them thinking the emission motors were not as good. They were right. Less MPG, EGR (exhaust gas recirculation), more trips to the shop for warranty work, more parts, more expensive motors makes truck price go up, etc. The new 2007 trucks(semis) are rumored to be $10,000 more on the average because of all the new research and development, parts, etc. needed to pass the 07 emissons. I dont think it will be any different for the pickups. I as far as I know the new 6. 7 will have EGR, a major horsepower/torque limiter. I know I dont have the need to be reburning exhaust, there also going to have more restrictive exhaust as well and if you take it off it will void your warranty. My solution was:I bought an 2005 due to emissions and that I like the 2003-2005 body styling better than the 2006s and up. Just my 2 cents

 

[Bob4x4]

Cooled EGR and particulate traps will not be cheap and you can just about be sure they will be a bit more thirsty.



Bob

 

[GAllen]

This has been the most trouble free vehicle I've owned other than my 94' Honda Civic. This has the GMC beat hands down and my buddies 03' Duramax has seen the dealer about five times, twice for injectors. The no torque 6. 0 is real easy on the Torqueshift, while the 5. 9 puts out some real torque down low. So I'd the 48RE may not be the most sophisticated transmission, but it's defininatly not "troublesome". I'd say it's very stout and reliable. So the 06' would be a "safe play" for long term reliablility versus the 07'. Some people see that as an advantage.

 

[osiris]

also something to keep in mind god forbid that it happen since we are talking about the mighty cummins but remember back in 03 when the 6. 0 came out. . How many of those trucks did ford either buy back or put a completely new engine in? Keep in mind that most of those were stock trucks i dunno about you but i want to wait and see what the future holds ill buy the "older" out dated model any day over the next big thing. I dont really like being a test dummy for anyone other than myself

 

[LLeaton]

I read some where that the 6. 7 was only going to be in the cab and chassis until 08

 

[GButia]

Just like when I went and bought my 04. 5 dmax... . more hp/tq vvt egr and cat... . oh joy! Maybe cummins will get it right... . I assure you though, 07 will not be the year to buy.

 

[Patriot Blue Megacab]

I know I have no right to say anything here. First Dodge,first diesel,coming from chevy gassers. I ALWAYS,wanted an all mighty Dodge diesel,and when i fianlly got the money and heard about the new motor(cummins or not)and trans its still going to take some time to get all the bugs out,plus all the emissions crap. I just think its funny that the 5. 9 has been the greatest thing,but suddenly now its old news. And no I didnt make my descion with out doing some research. I just hope everyone that waits for the 6. 7 is as happy as they think they will be,I know I will be with my old 5. 9

 

[Cummins Thunder]

I also agree with the others. The 48-RE has proven to be a very reliable trans in stock or nearly stock form.



CJ

 

[DHerzog]

It seems like the 48RE is the best transmission Dodge has had in a long time... very few problems, and I for one, would not buy a 2007 simply because of the new transmission... the new Allison from GM was supposed to be bulletproof, but loke of folks have had problems...



Als, I don't want to hassle with all the ultra low sulpher stuff... a second reason to buy a 2006. All that extra emission stuff is going to be a pain, and I suggest the engine is bigger to compensate for the loss in power due to emission controls... though I can;t say that for sure... just guessing.



Anyway, I have a 2004. 5, and I have no intention of trading it for a new one, but if I was, it would most certainly be a 2006 Oo.

 

[obie1]

I own a 2006 and after trading in the 2003 3500 6 speed hand shaker, this 2006 2500 with the AUTO is really a sweeeet vehicle.



The 6. 7 in 2007 will only have 305 horse and 600??ft/lbs torque. So why is it that our 5. 9 gets 325 and 625 now? where did the . 8 liter displacement go? Well I figure it went into the EGR and other emissions control. So where did the HP and torque go? Well again I figure to the EGR and emissions control.



So until the 2007 comes out if your in the market for a new truck get the 2006 they are sweet.

 

[2broke2smoke]

i've owned and driven a cummins since 1991 and i would buy a hemi in '07 before risking that abortion of an exhaust ...



you're going to pay 5k for the cummins option, be forced to run a more expensive fuel and they say the exhaust is good for what ... 150k



what are you going to pay at that point for the new exhaust?



i have to freinds with 150k+ on hemis now and no problems whatsoever ...



my next "new" truck will be an '04 NV5600, simpler computer, best transmission ever put in a pickup, NO CAT!



i just hope that whoever is breaking her in is being carefull ...

 

[mgoncalves]

I just bought an 06 for the same reason I bought the 02 that I traded in.



I don't like first year major changes. I already know what I am getting myself into with the 5. 9 and 48re. The 6. 7 will hopefully be good, but now I get 4 years to see how they are before buying one.



Also, I'm keeping my 06 at stock power level, so I shouldn't have to much to worry about with the 48re.





Matt

 

[AMink]

I think I read on here somewhere that the premium cost for the CTD is going to go up even further on '07. It said $10,000, I think! I hope that's is very wrong, 'cause with that startup cost + cost of diesel, I don't think they'll be selling very many! I still don't know why diesels cost so much more than gassers. I can see a few thousand, but $5K is an awful lot. Maybe the '07's will sell like hotcakes, and we can pick up used '06's for cheap. Oo.

 

[Scrappy]

I read some where that the 6. 7 was only going to be in the cab and chassis until 08

as of january 1, 2007 the 5. 9 is GONE, the only engine Cummins is building is the 6. 7. The current ratings that they are giving for the 6. 7 are more "commercial" ratings, I would almost guarantee that the P/U ratings are going to be competitive with the other's ratings.

 

[OHale]

Just wandering why anyone would purchase a 2006 Cummins turbo diesel when in 2007 they will come out with the new 6. 7L replacement? Especially for all the automatic guys, why buy the troublesome 48RE when next year you will most likely be able to get the Assign 6-speed auto? Just want to hear your reasons for not waiting. I really was not considering a new truck, but I think I would be real interested in the 2007 model.

I was just wandering around the site and saw your post. The 48RE is doing fine according to most owners. The reason not to buy a 2007 is the old caveat, 'never buy the first model year of a vehicle. ' I've done that twice in my life and regretted it. The last was my 12V Cummins which was a great truck, but being the first model year of that Dodge I had the headlight switch melt, 5th gear nut fall off, etc. All of the things that later owners were able to avoid. The bugs were worked out in a few years.



I'm not saying not to buy a 2007. I don't doubt it will be a great truck (after all, it will be a DODGE, AND a CUMMINS). Sometimes you need to replace a truck and buy what's available. Don't forget, the 'new' 6. 0L PSD a few years back. Torqshift transmission, etc. Ford dealers couldn't get rid of the old 7. 3L PSD, everybody wanted the new technology. That first model year of PSD lead to the largest buy-back record of any Ford vehicle.



Sometimes you buy a truck and it's just does everything you want it to, even if something more sophisticated comes out. Mine does. I can't wait to test drive a 2007 but this war horse I'm riding now I expect to go 10+ years just like my last one. I can't imagine someone who likes Dodge and Cummins buying a 2006 and being disappointed.

 

[cyborg]

the 48RE has been around for a long time (1950s) as the torqueflite. a favorite for race cars pushing big power. As others have pointed out, pretty reliable compared to what the other two are using.



The Aisin is another old standard. been pushing toyotas and jeeps around for a long time. It will have to prove itself behing the cummins, but that won't be a problem.



What is going to save dodge is that they aren't re-inventing the wheel, just re-packaging what works.

 

[y-knot]

Just wandering what everyone is thinking about the 2007 models. I enjoyed the comments, and it's nice that most feel the 48,47re's are a good choose for a automatic transmission.

For the record... . we will all be using the same fuel after 07 of 2006, diesel #2 as we know it will cease to exist, and the new ultra low sulfur fuel will be the only option. Supposedly, the oil industry forked out over 2 billion dollars to up-grade their refineries for the new fuel. This is one reason I believe that the current and last 10 months fuel prices have been so high. I think the government is allowing fuel prices to be artificially inflated to afford the oil businesses an Early recovery for the money they have spent. This and the fact that they want to get the buying public use to paying high fuel bills, so when they introduce the low sulfur fuel, the additional cost (. 15-. 20) will not seem so out of place.

Yes the new diesels will have more EPA devices that will lower the pollutants. Particulate filters, EGR valves and air pumps will grace the new diesels. I think it will be interesting to see how this effects the aftermarket industry. Up-grades and add-ons will never be the same, exhaust systems will be cat-back systems at best. Removing catalytic converters and particulate filters will be a federal crime, so the whole aftermarket exhaust industry will be effected. Horsepower upgrades will also likely be limited or unavailable, they would counter act the fuel curves that keep the new engines legal.

I think it has been pretty well documented that the new 6. 7L will have at least 350hp and higher then available torque limits. Otherwise why would anyone want the change. Yes I feel the larger displacement is for more HP, but not just to recover what was lost through emissions. The 5. 9L has been a great engine, it has be around for over 30 years, and with only a hand full of problems, it has served well. I feel that Cummins needs a new engine, the old block was dated and at it's peek in terms of development. The new , larger engine will allow Cummins to compete for years to come with it's competitors. I do not feel that their will be sneer the teething problems that the 6. 0L had. Ford broke off relations with International prior to it's unavailing, and try-ed to solve the programing issues internally. It wasn't till Ford renewed it's relationship with International that the problems with the 6. 0L finally subsided. Cummins is not going to let anything out of their factory that doesn't work. I have great faith in that. The new transmission is a little more touchy, it may experience some teething problems, and it may not. But again, it comes from a company like Cummins that has been building quality pieces for many years, so I have faith in the release of their new 6-speed automatic.

 

[DJennings]

Removing catalytic converters and particulate filters will be a federal crime, so the whole aftermarket exhaust industry will be effected.

I thought it was already a crime to remove emissions equipment?



To answer your question, I believe that the new motor, with all its emissions equipment and new transmission, will come at a substantially greater price. CTD's are already expensive, so I figured I might as well get the 5. 9 MC now.



My last CTD was an 04. 5 that I drove 1yr/46k miles. I had no problems with the 48re. My 06 48re is tighter and definitely shifts better, especially with the tow/haul changes they made.