Why would anyone buy a new 2006 TD?

[Rman]

Y-knot,



In July 2002 I ran out to find the truck I wanted, because I didn't want to deal with the new axles, new engine, and new body of the 3rd gen 2003. Turns out I'm very happy with what I have, but granted the 2003 turned out to be a very nice pickup. The axles are not what I was predicting, and the body has finally grown on me (I always thought they were ugly as sin).



I'm contemplating a new one now, and like you, am awaiting the new release. I'm not sure about this new engine, but the 3rd gen 2003 had been field tested in europe for several years in medium duty applications.



I think I'm just going to keep mine, I like it and it's still very functional. If I can find a nice 12v I might even take a few year step back!

 

[Davey]

As stated earlier, only the cab and chassis will get the 6. 7 and Aisin transmission, the regular 2500/3500 will get the 5. 9 and 48RE, unless they do a mid year thing like the 2004. 5 and the 2001. 5's. That's why I just ordered a new 06. Give's me a few years for the bugs to get worked out of the 07's and 08's.

 

[BRayls]

As stated earlier, only the cab and chassis will get the 6. 7 and Aisin transmission, the regular 2500/3500 will get the 5. 9 and 48RE, unless they do a mid year thing like the 2004. 5 and the 2001. 5's. That's why I just ordered a new 06. Give's me a few years for the bugs to get worked out of the 07's and 08's.

mid year will be a change for emissions reasons. the 2500-3500 gets the 68rfe the chassis cab is the aisin. why now upgrading the 48re to handle the power is already available. I am thinking 07 with the 5. 9 48re.

 

[y-knot]

Every one as there take on what will or will not happen in 2007. I do not believe that only the chassis cab will get the 6. 7L, I have read both sides to the issue, and it doesn't makes much sense to limit to the chassis cab only, for Dodge and or Cummins. I think the 5. 9L will be dropped from production and retired as one of the best that ever served. The old architecture does not support the new EPA standards, and it makes no sense to continue production. Cummins will still make their money with the 6. 7L and the new V-6 diesel that most likely Toyota will use, thou I sure do wish Dodge would consider it in there 1500 series and Durango. The power wagon will not get the cummins like most would like to see. The off-road character of the truck along with the 2 locking differentials, and added weight of the diesel will keep Dodge from offering it. They are too smart to get tied down with so many potential warranty claims, locked differentials and high torque do not mix well.

I to am a 2nd gen owner, and I will never sell my 12v. It reminds what a true diesel is and should be every time I drive it. I would consider the 2007 for business purposes only, the 6. 7L/6-speed auto is a very tempting offering. I also understand your 3rd gen delime, I to do not particularly like the looks of the truck. But for me it's the interior that is so objectionable, uncomfortable and ugly by todays standards, they could have easily done a better job.

For me, the success of the diesel market is a little questionable right now. The trucks cost a considerable amount more, and the diesel fuel issue is no more a factor. Up until recently, diesel fuel was always considerablely cheaper then gas, which made the diesel option more attractive. That has all changed, and now they are increasing the complexity and economy of the new diesels. What once was a benefit has turned intro a liability, and for many may not justify the increased cost of ownership???

Yes, it has always been illegal to remove any smog or EPA device on any vehicle. But with the increased popularity of the diesel truck, new regulations that need to be enforced, and increased awareness of polluting trucks (yes you guys that think it's funny to black smoke others at the light), enforcement of the new regulations will be strict. I see less and less dealers looking the other way with regard too chips, exhaust systems, and injectors. Not only will they reject your truck for warranty work, they may very well turn you in for modifications to any of the sensitive smog devices. It is also already illegal for a mechanic to remove EPA devices, so the logical next step would be to restrict the sale of systems that would alter anything related to any EPA device. I also feel that there will be a rush to collect the older/EPA exempt 1st and 2nd generation trucks. What do you think?

 

[betterthanstock]

All diesels have to get bigger for 07 to maintain current power levels, so they will increase the power rating too, to sort of justify the higher prices, and higher fuel consumption. Cummins and all, are stocking up on 06 engines until Dec 31st, and they will use them in production until supply runs out, hence the 07. 5 model designation, just like in 04. Freightliner is planning on massive layoffs once the 07. 5 hits the showrooms, since most trucking firms are also stocking up, and will hang on to their old ones longer. Take a look at the Mercedes 07 cars and Jeep Grand C. below:

 

[Rodboy]

The emissions are the main reason that I bought a 2006. But also I would rather not be someones Guinne Pig. Something new is always going to have some bugs to work out and I can't be without my truck. I went with something that is proven time and time again. For my money, I don't want to be a test mule for anyone, especially for what we pay for these new trucks. I plan on driving this truck for ten years so I wanted something I wasn't going to have to worry about.

 

[Smokin Joes 2500]

The 48RE is "troublesome"? Gee, compared with the competition, I would say that it is anything but troublesome. I wonder how many owners of completely stock trucks would consider their 48RE's to be troublesome.

As for the 6. 7l, I want to see how it does with a few miles & a year or 2 under its belt. Methinks the displacement increase is to compensate for the more stringent emissions regs & the resultant loss of horsepower/liter. Don't know how much better it will be than a mildly tweaked 5. 9, if any.

I agree 1000% Ive never bought a "first year" vehicle!!! New motor (with the emissions crap) and new transmission I DONT KNOW. I know one thing the 5. 9 has proven itself, YA THINK, hell even Ford guys will swap a 5. 9 into ther beloved Stroke-n-Poke. The 48re is lightyears and I mean lightyears ahead of the 47re. Buy an 07' there Y-knot and tell me and Got HO how you like it

 

[BRayls]

Every one as there take on what will or will not happen in 2007. I do not believe that only the chassis cab will get the 6. 7L, I have read both sides to the issue, and it doesn't makes much sense to limit to the chassis cab only, for Dodge and or Cummins. I think the 5. 9L will be dropped from production and retired as one of the best that ever served. The old architecture does not support the new EPA standards, and it makes no sense to continue production. Cummins will still make their money with the 6. 7L and the new V-6 diesel that most likely Toyota will use, thou I sure do wish Dodge would consider it in there 1500 series and Durango. The power wagon will not get the cummins like most would like to see. The off-road character of the truck along with the 2 locking differentials, and added weight of the diesel will keep Dodge from offering it. They are too smart to get tied down with so many potential warranty claims, locked differentials and high torque do not mix well.

I to am a 2nd gen owner, and I will never sell my 12v. It reminds what a true diesel is and should be every time I drive it. I would consider the 2007 for business purposes only, the 6. 7L/6-speed auto is a very tempting offering. I also understand your 3rd gen delime, I to do not particularly like the looks of the truck. But for me it's the interior that is so objectionable, uncomfortable and ugly by todays standards, they could have easily done a better job.

For me, the success of the diesel market is a little questionable right now. The trucks cost a considerable amount more, and the diesel fuel issue is no more a factor. Up until recently, diesel fuel was always considerablely cheaper then gas, which made the diesel option more attractive. That has all changed, and now they are increasing the complexity and economy of the new diesels. What once was a benefit has turned intro a liability, and for many may not justify the increased cost of ownership???

Yes, it has always been illegal to remove any smog or EPA device on any vehicle. But with the increased popularity of the diesel truck, new regulations that need to be enforced, and increased awareness of polluting trucks (yes you guys that think it's funny to black smoke others at the light), enforcement of the new regulations will be strict. I see less and less dealers looking the other way with regard too chips, exhaust systems, and injectors. Not only will they reject your truck for warranty work, they may very well turn you in for modifications to any of the sensitive smog devices. It is also already illegal for a mechanic to remove EPA devices, so the logical next step would be to restrict the sale of systems that would alter anything related to any EPA device. I also feel that there will be a rush to collect the older/EPA exempt 1st and 2nd generation trucks. What do you think?

I think a lot of what your saying is correct. the 5. 9 will not pass 07 standards ,it has to be dropped. the 2500-3500 trucks will be getting the 68rfe that goes on line in oct. and ramps up from there. the chassis cab will get the aisin as it is rated in the middle weight class. my take 5. 9 till jan 1st or whenever they run out of them, then the change to the compliant engine. which is the reason for the 68rfe, as the 48re will not mate to the new engine . don't forget cummins had the v-8 in a 1500 as well.

 

[OHale]

I've been telling everybody that we seem to be reliving the 1970s. Having to go to a larger displacement to get essentially the same horsepower is all too familiar. I suppose that is better than the other method used back then, which was to go to a smaller engine and raise the compression ratio just short of turning coal into diamonds.



It looks like that when I finally wear this truck out I should be well into my 60s. At that point I will probably prefer to drive my little John Deere diesel tractor on the shoulder rather than buy what's out there. Assuming of course that I'm not compelled at gunpoint to ride mass transit, or being simply exterminated to try to save Social Security.

 

[ASchuerg]

U should wait 4 the 07

and put up with the headaces and the troubles. come to think of maybe you should just go ahead and buy a Ford and be done withit.

 

[Smokin Joes 2500]

I've been telling everybody that we seem to be reliving the 1970s. Having to go to a larger displacement to get essentially the same horsepower is all too familiar. I suppose that is better than the other method used back then, which was to go to a smaller engine and raise the compression ratio just short of turning coal into diamonds.



It looks like that when I finally wear this truck out I should be well into my 60s. At that point I will probably prefer to drive my little John Deere diesel tractor on the shoulder rather than buy what's out there. Assuming of course that I'm not compelled at gunpoint to ride mass transit, or being simply exterminated to try to save Social Security.

:-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Grizzly]

Just wandering why anyone would purchase a 2006 Cummins turbo diesel when in 2007 they will come out with the new 6. 7L replacement? Especially for all the automatic guys, why buy the troublesome 48RE when next year you will most likely be able to get the Assign 6-speed auto? Just want to hear your reasons for not waiting. I really was not considering a new truck, but I think I would be real interested in the 2007 model.

I think the question is, why would anyone want to buy an 07 not knowing how the new engine is going to be, and also maybe a new auto trans. We already know the 06 is good. Maybe some people need a new Dodge/Cummins right now and just can't afford to wait.

 

[FATCAT]

... . I assure you though, 07 will not be the year to buy.

... and 08, and 09, an 10, and 11 ... all the upcoming years could be the death nell for diesel pickup trucks. The emissions regulations (especially 2010) will GUARANTY they will be junk and extremely expensive junk. 2006 most likely will be the last best year for diesel pickups.

 

[JHardwick]

I was told by a lady I dropped a horse off to in Columbus Indiana, that the 6. 7 was a stroked 5. 9 (no new block) for emissions reasons only. Less power per cube.



I can give 3 names at the Columbus plant that I spoke to that evening at her barn ... ... ..... 2 gals and a guy.

 

[AMink]

Cleaner emissions, lower mileage. More fuel to go the same distance, net gain... zero? Guess I'll be driving the 97 for a while longer.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

why would anyone buy a 98 12v when the new and improved 24 valve trucks are coming out soon!!?!

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I was told by a lady I dropped a horse off to in Columbus Indiana, that the 6. 7 was a stroked 5. 9 (no new block) for emissions reasons only. Less power per cube.

You do realize the 6. 7 isn't a stroked 5. 9 like the Euro one is, the US spec one has a larger bore and shorter stroke than the Euro 6. 7. The US one is an all-new engine.



Did many of you guys read Steve St. L's article? From what that says the 2007s stay with the 5. 9L:



"We tried to find out information on how this all applies to the upcoming regular 2500 and 3500 trucks and everyone was tight-lipped with information. We were however told that the Ram 2500 and 3500 models for 2007 will be rolled out with the existing 5. 9 liter engine. " https://www.turbodieselregister.com/06ntea/

 

[BRayls]

You do realize the 6. 7 isn't a stroked 5. 9 like the Euro one is, the US spec one has a larger bore and shorter stroke than the Euro 6. 7. The US one is an all-new engine.



Did many of you guys read Steve St. L's article? From what that says the 2007s stay with the 5. 9L:



"We tried to find out information on how this all applies to the upcoming regular 2500 and 3500 trucks and everyone was tight-lipped with information. We were however told that the Ram 2500 and 3500 models for 2007 will be rolled out with the existing 5. 9 liter engine. " https://www.turbodieselregister.com/06ntea/

the 07 will not be a 5. 9 mid year( 07. 5 )they will not pass the sniffer test. then they will make the change because the law says so. the 68rfe goes online in oct with around 200units daily till it ramps up volume around jan 1st. remember the new emmisions laws take effect jan 1, not when the 07 comes out.

 

[CHolman]

04 Nv5600

i've owned and driven a cummins since 1991 and i would buy a hemi in '07 before risking that abortion of an exhaust ...



you're going to pay 5k for the cummins option, be forced to run a more expensive fuel and they say the exhaust is good for what ... 150k



what are you going to pay at that point for the new exhaust?



i have to freinds with 150k+ on hemis now and no problems whatsoever ...



my next "new" truck will be an '04 NV5600, simpler computer, best transmission ever put in a pickup, NO CAT!



i just hope that whoever is breaking her in is being carefull ...

You won't be disappointed... . AND NO I'm not talking about mine, I'm keeping mine for a very, very long time, "GOD WILLING"

 

[MCummings]

Every time a NBS comes out, it's "not the year to buy", or "it's only downhill from here".



We are living in the 70's,, what happened 20 yrs later? we have almost what we have today! Awesome fuel injection, reliable cars, and Multi Displacement engines...



I think the 12V is what a 1970's vehicle would have been... I great vehicle a mechanicly gifted person could work on in his own garage,, but you will always have to work on it... Then 24V's equaling mid 80's Fuel injection. Now with the 3rd Gens, that's like late 80's technology. '07. 5 and '10 will have '00 technology in them.



I think it's a turn for the better...



I for one am a hotrodder, and am slightly impatient, so I will probably be getting an early '07 with a 5. 9L so I can modify it.





Emissions equipment has always been very illegal to remove, but it seems most still do it (if you are performance minded)



The catcher with the 6. 7L is it's ability to "sense" if the emissions equipment is there just like the Duramax LLY engine can.



Merrick