Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) will fuel plate wear pump?

[Ahopper]

so i am looking for someone in az to advance my timing do my valves and put a new governor spring in the truck, i called around in the phoenix area and found a2z deisil in phoenix. i forgot the name of the guy who i talked to but he said that putting a plate in is the worst thing that you could do because it messes your pump up some how. he said he is a member of the tdr website but said he could get the same power without doing a new plate and all that im doing is wearing out my pump and it wil be gone in a year so my ? is has this happend to anyone or is he full of it? he said he has been a cummins mechanic for 12 years just was wondering what you guys think.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I smell bs. And, trolling for work, $. I can show you the story and how the parts work in Albuquerque or Las Vegas NV sometime.

 

[bmoeller]

BS. If a plate caused damage, it wouldn't have been used in the first place.

 

[Bob4x4]

so i am looking for someone in az to advance my timing do my valves and put a new governor spring in the truck, i called around in the phoenix area and found a2z deisil in phoenix. i forgot the name of the guy who i talked to but he said that putting a plate in is the worst thing that you could do because it messes your pump up some how. he said he is a member of the tdr website but said he could get the same power without doing a new plate and all that im doing is wearing out my pump and it wil be gone in a year so my ? is has this happend to anyone or is he full of it? he said he has been a cummins mechanic for 12 years just was wondering what you guys think.

I guess my 94 is about 10 years past due to fail :-laf . I started out with the Cummins performance kit (which had a unique Plate in it) then ran into Joe at a dyno event,my clutch was slipping an hour later :-laf



Bob

 

[Joe G.]

BS for sure. The plate is also called the full load throttle stop. In other words if you don't have the skinny pedal flat to the floor or close to it, the plate is not in play.

 

[Matthug]

Are you sure you didn't misunderstand and he said running NO plate damages your pump? Because that is true.

 

[Ahopper]

im positive he said fuel plate he even refered to tdr saying that "different fuel plates are not the way to go like everyone does on tdr, i can get 250hp out of a stock pump and stock injectors just by re calibrating it".

 

[bmoeller]

i can get 250hp out of a stock pump and stock injectors just by re calibrating it".

If he recalibrates the pump, it is no longer stock.

 

[Matthug]

LOL, pretty good point.

So what is he saying to take the fuel plate out? Or leave the stock plate in it and ''re-calibrate'' it? Heck just taking the plate out of a 215 pump will give you 150-200 HP. Is the ''re-calibration'' just laser cut delivery valves to give it that other 50 HP??? I wouldn't doubt it.

 

[Ahopper]

i dont know im just glad im not the only one who thinks he full of it. he told me if i went with him that i may be spending more money on it but it will last 10 times as long. whatever, i also asked him if he put put a 3gsk in it and said thats what it is stock and he wouldnt do it cause it wouldnt do anything. thats not what it is stock right?

 

[KingS]

I is thinking rpm range the trucks stock rev to 3000 but only provide full fuel till about 2500 a 3gsk changes this and allows the pump to full fuel to 3000 it will also free rev way past after kit is installed.

Stock the truck holding the pedal on the floor will hit about 3100 and stay there.

 

[CumminsPower98]

Complete BS. Stock mine will rev to 3400 unloaded but I won't get full power up to anywhere near that. The 3k GSK will alow the pump to run full fuel/power up to 3k+. I still have not done a GSK but would like to some day. Run away from this guy. Changing plate profiles does nothing to wear the pump out. Mine has been custom ground for 210k miles and all is fine. Many thousands of trucks are on the road with modified plates.

 

[NHays]

I concur, TOTAL ****BS****... Find another maniac... . I mean mechanic. or just get the parts and do the pump work yourself. Just ask for info here and you will have this whole site and hundreds of some of the very best knowing people to help you, who have done the work themselves. I think we have all met this guy... ... Oh, i get it, :-{} He has got to be the one who comes onto this site and disagrees with everything, then chants about his 12 years as a "Cummins Master Mechanic" stating that all us shade tree people are full of it..... now we know who is doing it. :-laf. Don't mean to hijack the post, I just think its funny... .

 

[Ahopper]

ok im just glad im not the only one who thinks that. he just wants money out of people i guess.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

You will spend more money with him--yep I believe that is absolutely true.

His way will make the pump last 10 times as long, OK with other ways they probably won't last more than 1,000,000 miles. So he will guarantee 10,000,000 miles. So what.



Recalibration has been known and done for as long as they have been out. Sure, you can adjust them so a stock plate gives more rack travel. Why bother, the end result is the same if you just shove the stock plate forward. An aftermarket plate is easy to do and to reverse to stock. Also another plate allows a different fueling curve vs. rpm, whereas the adjustment he is talking about does not change the shape of the curve, just moves it richer. That means that there won't be extra enrichment in the rpm range where you need it, and less enrichment at other rpm where you don't want it to control egts, etc.

 

[Bill Lins]

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