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I don't seem able to get any ideas on starting my Ram and it will soon be dark once more . Any one know if it is possible to raise windows with out doing more damage to the electrical system? If not its tarp time after dark ,I ran out of ideas and hoping some one will have a good idea. Thanks Ron in Louisville :confused: :(
 
You have no electrical power even from the batterys?. One trick you can do that works for me if that is the case, is pull the door panel off (Very easy) and use a 12v cordless drill battery or just a jumper from the truck battery and attatch it the window motor plug. There will be three contacts, one is ground, the other 2 are up and down, try both and find the right one.



Good luck
 
Originally posted by EMDDIESEL

You have no electrical power even from the batterys?. One trick you can do that works for me if that is the case, is pull the door panel off (Very easy) and use a 12v cordless drill battery or just a jumper from the truck battery and attatch it the window motor plug. There will be three contacts, one is ground, the other 2 are up and down, try both and find the right one.



Good luck
I just got back from pushing and check of wire and connectors. Still no go found two fuzable links at the dr side batt down to a bolt on connection . Tested them with a test led light point pos to bolt clamp to neg terminal both lit light so they must be ok . Have plenty of batt power , tested with the trip button and eng switch , looked like it read check then 950 waited then changed to 999 . Did it again same then went blank then a small dot almost a squar moved around in a random it seemed then all the guages started to move including the speedo it whent to max not sure of the tach as I was so taken with the spedometer that I only saw it move back from one quater of movement. All the guages seem to work. Thanks for the information on the window . Ill try that later after one more try , looked in the book couldent find any mention on 950 0R 999 hope some one knows what it means and will post here . Again thanks for your help . Ron in Louisville (drive way)
 
Huh???

You have no power at all? If the gauges go a little wacky while trying to start, it usually is because the neutral start switch is fubared or the starter is bad. There is still the voltage drop when the key is turned to start, dropping the guage voltages.



Do you have a good battery connection that is not corroded? I guess we need some more info on the situation to help diagnose this. If you have a battery short out, it will mess up the other battery and cause problems with starting.



There should not be anything wrong with raising this windows. If you are worried about the truck catching fire overnight, disconnect the negative battery posts.
 
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My guess, is that the problem lies in the ignition switch... If all main fueses are ok, and there is good batter power, this has to be it... Bad connection related to the ignition system. That's what I am gonna have to stick with...
 
Re: Huh???

Originally posted by nathanbush

You have no power at all? If the gauges go a little wacky while trying to start, it usually is because the neutral start switch is fubared or the starter is bad. There is still the voltage drop when the key is turned to start, dropping the guage voltages.



Do you have a good battery connection that is not corroded? I guess we need some more info on the situation to help diagnose this. If you have a battery short out, it will mess up the other battery and cause problems with starting.



There should not be anything wrong with raising this windows. If you are worried about the truck catching fire overnight, disconnect the negative battery posts.
Just got back from picking up wife at work her car. Nathan I have good batteries and full charg on them checked the fuzable links two next to drivers side batt along side of pos. down to bolt connection both check out hot. Guages whent crazy on test with trip button pushed with key in start position. Guess ill wait till am and then see what I can do . May have to call the hook and drag it to dealer, hope not. thanks for your help Ron in Louisville (driveway) :confused: :(
 
Originally posted by Evan A. Beck

My guess, is that the problem lies in the ignition switch... If all main fueses are ok, and there is good batter power, this has to be it... Bad connection related to the ignition system. That's what I am gonna have to stick with...
Evan glad your back always read your informative posts , I think you are right on the switch as the wire that fed the exhaust brake was the one that came out of the stering column black with ornge tracer 18 guage ,will the switch and related parts need to be replaced ? Thanks for your help Ron in Louisville Ky (driveway):(
 
Well...

Being it is dark, try turning the key to start with the lights on. If the lights do not dim (of the domelight if you can not see the headlights), then the starter solenoid is definitely not getting juice.



If I knew you were highly cautious, I would tell you to jump start the starter contacts to get the truck going with the key on. But this can be dagerous to the electrical system and/or you if done incorrectly. It would save you a towing bill, but not worth the cost if you so domething wrong. (My grandfather pinned himself to the side of a barn by jump starting a tractor at the starter. Thank God the tractor stalled just before hurting him. It was awhile before my grandmother heard him yelling to come free him... )
 
Switch...

If you have that orange wire wired back correctly, it should start. If you did not blow any fuses, nor powered back into the switch, the switch should be OK. Are you sure that the wire is back in place correctly crimped or soldered? You can have someone turn the ignition switch to start and check the wire with a voltage meter to see if the juice is coming from the switch. I do not have a service manual (shame on me), otherwise I could be of more help. :(
 
Originally posted by Evan A. Beck

My guess, is that the problem lies in the ignition switch... If all main fueses are ok, and there is good batter power, this has to be it... Bad connection related to the ignition system. That's what I am gonna have to stick with...
I posted a reply to you about the wire I used black with ornge tracer from steering column and forgot to ask if this fault could stop the air conditioner blower motor too . Just before truck quit noted that air was not working. Thanks for your help . Ron in Louisville Ky (drive way) :(
 
wiring

That orange wire out would have to power a relay or junction for everything that works off of the ignition side (stuff powered when the key is on), i. e. the blower fan, windows, etc. The door locks are powered off of the battery side. You must be getting power to the ignition switch, but are losing it after that. If that black/orange wire is not connected, you will have the problems mentioned. You will know when it is properly connected as the fan will start blowing again (provided the fuse is good, there would be one fuse for each accessory). If you junctioned into the wire, remove the splices. You might be grounding it out. If it is cut, rewire it back into itself. Again listen for the blower fan running as a clue to a good contact again. Check for the blown ignition fuse again.



Good luck.
 
Re: Switch...

Originally posted by nathanbush

If you have that orange wire wired back correctly, it should start. If you did not blow any fuses, nor powered back into the switch, the switch should be OK. Are you sure that the wire is back in place correctly crimped or soldered? You can have someone turn the ignition switch to start and check the wire with a voltage meter to see if the juice is coming from the switch. I do not have a service manual (shame on me), otherwise I could be of more help. :(
Nathan I used type of tap that just crimps on to the wire and is closed like a box . I just pryed it open and took it off sealed with goop small amount to cover small indents in cover. will look at all suggestions and see if some salution is possible . again thanks for your help . Ron in Louisville Ky(driveway)
 
Tap connector...

If the tap connector is too small, you may have severed the wire when it was crimped. You also might have cut some strands causing a drop of voltage when load is applied. You might have to strip the wire back a little to check.



You might have to disconnect the negative side of each battery to reset the codes. Also the manual says to turn the key off if it is left in the "on" position for over two minutes. This will restart the start cycle again.
 
Possible Dead spot in Switch and 2 fuses inline

Judging strictly by the wiring schematic for a '95 (not certain how much if any dif between '99 & 95 window wiring) looks as if there are only , two large fuses that could be blown one under the hood in the PDC (Fuse 2 40amp) and the other in the dash fuse block (Fuse CB1 30amp). I'd rule them out, being as you have already checked them.



As Evan said, the ignition switch looks to be the only other possibility other than a broken/cut wire (a fried or shorted wire would inevitably blow a fuse). If the ignition switch is bad you might try to jiggle it while trying to operate the windows. With a bit of luck the switch may just have a small dead spot, where the jiggling effect might get you enough contact to at least get the windows and locks working long enough to secure your truck. . Good luck in any case.
 
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Re: Possible Dead spot in Switch and 2 fuses inline

Originally posted by swamp rat

Judging strictly by the wiring schematic for a '95 (not certain how much if any dif between '99 & 95 window wiring) looks as if there are only , two large fuses that could be blown one under the hood in the PDC (Fuse 2 40amp) and the other in the dash fuse block (Fuse CB1 30amp). I'd rule them out, being as you have already checked them.



As Evan said, the ignition switch looks to be the only other possibility other than a broken/cut wire (a fried or shorted wire would inevitably blow a fuse). If the ignition switch is bad you might try to jiggle it while trying to operate the windows. With a bit of luck the switch may just have a small dead spot, where the jiggling effect might get you enough contact to at least get the windows and locks working long enough to secure your truck. . Good luck in any case.
Thanks for the reply Swamp rat could be a combnation of switch and bad wire I thik that I might go around the tap area with a jumper (wire and two straight pins to check that out too late now its after one here in Ky land . again thanks for your help . Ron in Louisville KY (drive way)
 
So you have your exhaust brake fed off the BK/OR wire coming out of the steering column? First of all, change the feed to the exhaust brake to the 10 gauge Dark Blue wire. Don't use a scotch-lock... Solder the wire for a more positive connection. Check the BK/OR wire, and make sure it is ok.



There are two connectors going into the back of the igntion switch. One is a 7-pin flat, and the other is a 4-pin flat. Make sure thse are ok, and all the pins are in good shape. In the flat-7 connector, there is a 12V+ constant hot. Check for power here. It will be a RED 10 gauge wire. Same goes for the Pink/Black wire--12V+ constant hot. If this checks out ok, then you know there is power getting to the ignition switch.



The BK/OR wire from the ignition switch feeds fuses 2, 3, 7, 18, and circuit breaker 1. All these are in the in-cab fuse box.



Fuse 2: 10A Feeds climate controls & heated mirror switch

Fuse 3: 10A Feeds ABS control

Fuse 7: 10A Feeds backup lamps, DRL module (if equipped)

Fuse 18: 10A Feeds airbag control module

CB 1: 20A Feeds power windows & locks



If the BK/OR wire is not connected, all the above functions will not work. THis would explain your power window problem. Check the locks too.



Check this stuff, and get back to us! :D
 
Originally posted by Evan A. Beck

So you have your exhaust brake fed off the BK/OR wire coming out of the steering column? First of all, change the feed to the exhaust brake to the 10 gauge Dark Blue wire. Don't use a scotch-lock... Solder the wire for a more positive connection. Check the BK/OR wire, and make sure it is ok.



There are two connectors going into the back of the igntion switch. One is a 7-pin flat, and the other is a 4-pin flat. Make sure thse are ok, and all the pins are in good shape. In the flat-7 connector, there is a 12V+ constant hot. Check for power here. It will be a RED 10 gauge wire. Same goes for the Pink/Black wire--12V+ constant hot. If this checks out ok, then you know there is power getting to the ignition switch.



The BK/OR wire from the ignition switch feeds fuses 2, 3, 7, 18, and circuit breaker 1. All these are in the in-cab fuse box.



Fuse 2: 10A Feeds climate controls & heated mirror switch

Fuse 3: 10A Feeds ABS control

Fuse 7: 10A Feeds backup lamps, DRL module (if equipped)

Fuse 18: 10A Feeds airbag control module

CB 1: 20A Feeds power windows & locks



If the BK/OR wire is not connected, all the above functions will not work. THis would explain your power window problem. Check the locks too.



Check this stuff, and get back to us! :D
Thanks Even I will check and let you know how it comes out and will use the connection like you said above . I will have to find out how to access the igntion switch and start on that this asap . I printed above and will follow it again thanks for your help and all the other members too . Ron in Louisville (drive way) :( but hope full. P. S forgot have power to doorlocks head lights inside lights helo and instrments . :confused: ill try not to set off the air bag.
 
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Originally posted by EMDDIESEL

You have no electrical power even from the batterys?. One trick you can do that works for me if that is the case, is pull the door panel off (Very easy) and use a 12v cordless drill battery or just a jumper from the truck battery and attatch it the window motor plug. There will be three contacts, one is ground, the other 2 are up and down, try both and find the right one.



Good luck
worked like a charm on my truck the connector is in the lower middle of the door after removing the pannal without specal removing and with handle spoon removed it will worry about getting the yellow clips back later ,but for now the windows are up and I am feeling better thanks . The plug was a female two terminal green and white I used the pannel screws and alagator clamps for contacts . whent wrong way both times ,just reversed them up they went . I think the ground was some whare out of sight to a screw or bolt . Again thanks for your help . Ron in Louisville Ky(drive way) windows up truck down.
 
Originally posted by Evan A. Beck

So you have your exhaust brake fed off the BK/OR wire coming out of the steering column? First of all, change the feed to the exhaust brake to the 10 gauge Dark Blue wire. Don't use a scotch-lock... Solder the wire for a more positive connection. Check the BK/OR wire, and make sure it is ok.



There are two connectors going into the back of the igntion switch. One is a 7-pin flat, and the other is a 4-pin flat. Make sure thse are ok, and all the pins are in good shape. In the flat-7 connector, there is a 12V+ constant hot. Check for power here. It will be a RED 10 gauge wire. Same goes for the Pink/Black wire--12V+ constant hot. If this checks out ok, then you know there is power getting to the ignition switch.



The BK/OR wire from the ignition switch feeds fuses 2, 3, 7, 18, and circuit breaker 1. All these are in the in-cab fuse box.



Fuse 2: 10A Feeds climate controls & heated mirror switch

Fuse 3: 10A Feeds ABS control

Fuse 7: 10A Feeds backup lamps, DRL module (if equipped)

Fuse 18: 10A Feeds airbag control module

CB 1: 20A Feeds power windows & locks



If the BK/OR wire is not connected, all the above functions will not work. THis would explain your power window problem. Check the locks too.



Check this stuff, and get back to us! :D
Even I checked the wires at the ingnition switch seven pin no power at black ornge Red 12. 57v Blue12. 38vBlack ign off -0v ign on12. 38v pink 0. 1 to 0. 3 yellow ing off 0. 36 will do this over in am as i lost part of the notes about the test. also ill see if the four pin connector wil come apart without braking . I will also recheck all connectors and the C134 connector pk/bk for hot on both sides likd ETHDEE said in his post also will see if I can get some fz relays and swap some out . The windows are up but I used a batt and wire to get them up . the locks work with power to left and right door but windows still not working. All connectors ignition switch looked clean no burn marks no smell or other sign of some thing wrong . will have a time putting the door liner back on later its just put on so I could close the door and secure the truck for the nignt . I have a switch on the clutch safty wire and ill check that too. Thanks for your help . sorry its so late but had some truble getting on and loading of pages slow with constant cut outs due to the Red Alert I guess some low life put a worm on the servers causing some slow downs . That was on CNN this after noon . Havent heard any more about it So I guess they will get it fixed if the havent already . Ron in Louisville Ky (windows up truck down):confused: :(
 
I don't have a shop manual for my Ram but thought I would throw out this question in case it helps get your windows up. On my Suburban, the main power feed to the windows is plugged into the fuse block. The point of attachment is powered by the ignition switch. Since there are other items on the truck, such as power door locks, that always have power available, I moved the window power feed over and piggy backed it on the door lock feed, allowing me to use my window switches without having to turn on the ignition switch.



Does the Ram have a window power feed that is externally attached to the fuse block that you could un-hook at at least temporarily jumper it to a hot 12v lead. If so, this would confirm that the problem is in the ignition switch.
 
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