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Hi folks,



Just planning ahead... ... I need to get a new set of rubber for the '02 2500 4x4.



I do a fair bit of highway driving, but would like some decent tread/grip for hitting some of the unserviced roads up north as well as dealing with the spring thaw in the fields.



The Michelin LTXs that come stock are not aggressive enough



Thanks in advance!!!
 
The best winter tire I have used are the Nokia Happakaletia (not even close to the correct spelling). They were very quiet and worked great in snow and ice. I am not sure, however, how they would be in mud. I have used them studded and unstudded and was very impressed. On my 00, I got 50K on them.
 
Couple suggestions....

One tire I have ran rand several sets of and found the a great winter tire as well as having long tread life is the Toyo M55 here is link from a company your side of the border. . Toyo

I have found that siping them as they wear (just before winter) really helps.



Another tire I have no experiece with but have ready about its great winter ability is Dunlop Radial Rover RVXT



Both tires can be had in 235/85R16 or the taller 255/85R which are both great tall/narrow tires for snow country.



jjw

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Duluth Diesel,



Do you know what the difference is between the ST and the ST-C? Also, can you tell me what type of driving you typically do? That is, mostly highway (55+ mph), around the town (35 - 55 mph), or off pavement? Carry a load (camper or trailer) or mostly empty? How many miles or percentage of your miles in these categories, roughly?



I am looking for replacement rubber and I've looked at the Coopers. The dealer was trying to point me toward the ATs. At least the ATs have a mileage warrant whereas the STs do not, I believe. I like what I see but I'm still undecided.



I do about 12 to 15 thousand miles a year, about 60 or 70 percent around town with the rest out on the highway, mostly empty. My power is tweaked up considerably but I avoid over using it. But I can't seem to get more than about 25K miles out of any tires. I'm running 285/75-16.



Thanks,

JK
 
The STC has a little harder compound than the ST. I have the ST on my 01. They work very well for ice and packed snow. My partner has the Discverer M&S on his 4wd Quigley 1 ton conversion van. They are fantastic, the best winter tire I have seen!!!

We are getting the M&S for my wifes 03 CTD IF they are available in 17" before winter!!

Bob
 
"mbaston" mentioned the Nokian Hakkapaliita. They are indeed an outstanding winter tire. We've run them on our Volvo the last 3 winters and they still have over half the tread left. They are outstanding. I once said if I could get Nokians for the truck in the size I wanted, I'd do it. The Finns know how to build a winter tire! But you can't get them in truck sizes, at least not the size I'm running - 285/75-16.



I discovered the Nokian Vatiiva yesterday and called some shops in town that sell it. I can get it in my size. These are a "M + S" rated tire and have a 50,000 mile warranty. That is highly unusual for a mud and snow tire. They are siped all the way down. I'm thinkin' this is the way I'm going to go. The local shop quoted $164. 15 per tire to purchase outright. Somewhere around $750 mounted, balanced, etc. That's with our sales tax.



Now if I can just get my money back from Les Schwab for the Toyo's that are gone at 25k miles...



Jay K.
 
JGK said:
I discovered the Nokian Vatiiva yesterday and called some shops in town that sell it. I can get it in my size. These are a "M + S" rated tire and have a 50,000 mile warranty. That is highly unusual for a mud and snow tire. They are siped all the way down. I'm thinkin' this is the way I'm going to go. The local shop quoted $164. 15 per tire to purchase outright. Somewhere around $750 mounted, balanced, etc. That's with our sales tax.



Now if I can just get my money back from Les Schwab for the Toyo's that are gone at 25k miles...



Jay K.



well anything with 50k warrenty will be a harder tire and that defeats the whole purpose of a snow tire... . just my . 02

snow tires are ment to be soft. if they run on cold ground (winter) they don't wear as fast. drive with them all year (like i have) and they wear quicker but i get 30k + still from them be ware of 50k tires for snowes..... if all seasons give you 50-60k warrenty whats the differance of what your buying? and don't tell me tread design cause that maybe be true to a small extent but compound is key in a good snow tire!... ... but hey what the hell do i know i only snow races my WRX for 3 years :cool:
 
Ltx

Hi YYZski, I like the stock Michelin LTX M/S because they keep me out of trouble!! If I'm having trouble with traction out in the fields then I shouldn't be there! LOL I go back and get a 4x4 tractor or loader from the barn. 'Cause if I bury the truck I'll be walking back to the barn to get the loader anyway!! LOL



That aside, the BF Goodrich is a pretty good tire, good wear and a more aggressive tread, I have them on my '98 12v.



The problem with a good snow/mud tire is that it has to be so aggressive that it is a poor road tire. They usually are very noisy and don't work real good on wet/slushy/icy pavement. Your freeways from Toronto to Sarnia with the winter wind off Lake Huron really need a tire like the LTX. But when the snow and mud get deep and clog the tread, I do occassionaly wish for a more aggresive tread. But only occasionally.



Just my opinion. I have 50+k on my original LTX's and will install a second set on my '01 before this winter. Love 'em



YYXski if you ever get over to Michigan PM me first and maybe I'll be in town and you can stop by. Great to have visitors driving CTD's !! I'm just south of Flint.



Greg L. The Noise Nazi
 
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Any dedicated snow tire, such as the Cooper Discoverer M/S or the Nokian, will indeed excel in cold climates and in icy conditions - no arguement there. The problem with any of these dedicated snow/winter tires arises when they are asked to operate in temperatures above 40 or 50 degrees. The rubber compounds in these tires are so soft (which is why they excel in subzero temps) that in more mild to warm temps they wear like crazy. The fastest way to kill a snow tire is to keep it on the truck into spring.

If you're going to get a single tire that will keep you pointed straight and happy all year 'round, you have to make some compromises. No single tire does everything perfectly. Dedicated snow tires are best in the cold but stink in warmer conditions due to increased wear and lost handling. Strict A/T tires are pretty decent in most categories overall, but my biggest personal gripe with A/T tires is that they fall real short in mud and deep snow. A/T tires, designed for moderate traction advantages over an highway tire but with longevity in mind, don't have wide enough channels to properly clean themselves of packed snow and especially mud. Compared to the Cooper S/T which is basically a mud tire with more edges and siping added, normal A/T tires (cooper discoverer A/T, BFG All Terrain, etc. ) clog up in mud and are as worthless as racing slicks. I have first hand experience with this, and it made me regret buying those A/T tires. Since I've been putting these S/T (stands for Sure Trac) on everything, I've been solidly happy with these tires. The S/T-C differs from the S/T with narrower shoulder and tread face widths, higher load capacities, and a harder compound to resist cuts and chips that aggressive tires can commonly encounter in severe service, expecially in rocky conditions. That being said, I've only ever bought the S/T tires, and I've never seen these cutting and chipping problems on the tread face. This harder compound, I would venture to guess, would also prolong tread like in situations where heavy loads and more highway driving are encountered. I suspect that the harder compound may rear its ugly head in subzero conditions, and glare ice traction will most likely suffer. Depending on what you want these tires to do for you will likely determine which model (S/T or S/T-C) you will desire. I'm going to try the S/T-C ones out next time. My S/T tires, in 315 size, see all kinds of work. I do moderate off road stuff for work, dealing mostly with sticky clay material, and these tires clear well in spite of the sticky nature of the mud. I like that. They see mostly highway service, and probably about 1000 miles a month of heavy loads (4 horse gooseneck, 36 feet overall or a bed full of material and tools and soil-filled 55-gallon drums). They are wearing very well. Even the guy at the tire shop was amazed at the longevity I'm getting out of these. Rotate every 6,000 miles, check tire pressure often, and you can get your money's worth. Even driving empty during commutes, I am not at all light on the throttle. These tires see hard corners and more than a few burnouts on tar. I'd buy them again in a heartbeat. I wanted a tough tire that would have enough edges to have a prayer in snow and ice in Northern Minnesota and Wisconsin, have enough voids to clear mud well, and be tough enough to put up with me and a 7,000+ pound turbo diesel. I put these tires on everything, and I don't regret the money spent whatsoever. I feel the Cooper S/T tires don't make compromises that other OEM tire manufacturers make on their tires. Cooper sipes the tread the full depth of the tread, whereas Michelin spies only half way down. Wear out a Michelin half way and you'll find that edges and siping start to disappear due to intentional lack-of-depth, and you're left with racing slicks that can leave you stranded or worse.

This Australian Cooper site has better info on these tires than the US site.

http://www.coopertires.com.au/tyres/st.htm
 
PaulG,



First, What do I know, I spend over half my life driving in snow and ice in real world situations, not racing. That is part of living in Alaska. What is the most common seen snow tire up here, the Nokian. The tread and siping work incredibly well. To say that the tread has nothing to do with it is like saying a very soft compound slick will work well in snow. Tread has everything to do with it... . a bulldozer has very "hard" tires but incredible "tread"
 
I have had the Dunlop RVXT's for about 3 months (5300 miles) (265/75-16) load range E, and have found them to be great tires. Great in the rain, dry, fair in the mud, but I used to run the Dunlop "RVX" tires which are made any more. Ride is much improved and these are very quiet. We have put them on three of our other trucks with simlar experience and plan to install them on the rest of the trucks as they need tires.
 
Well, I keep learning new things and that has kept me from making a final decision. :rolleyes:



I thought I was sold on the Nokians, and I still think they would be a great tire. However, there are only a few dealers around that sell them and that would make it a little less convenient to get the rotated (free) and other service. Still...



I just heard the Toyo M55 now comes in 285/75-16 as a 10-ply, E rated tire with a 50,000 mile warranty. Hmmm... But they'er pricey. And stiff. But they ought to hold up!



Here's my latest questions: Has anyone gone from a tire like the Toyo Open Country, or similar all-terrain D rated tire to the M55s? If so, what was your impression regarding ride and control?



I hesitate to start a new thread just for this, but may need to for the exposure.



Thanks in advance,

Jay K.
 
My tire picks.

I had a 94 3500 for 6 years and I ran cooper discoverer sst for both winter and summer driving the winter set was studded and the summer set was obviously not. I only had one flat in those 6 years and the tires worked great.



On my current 2500 I run the Toyo open country tires in the summer and for winter I run the same Toyo open country tires. It shocked me how well they worked in the snow and ice. I even had studded tires to put on the truck this last winter but never did because the open country’s worked so well. The truck even pulled a buddies minivan that slid of the road and ended up 30 foot down a bank last winter. The trooper wanted to call a wrecker because he thought there was know way the truck could pull him out. To tell the truth my buddy wasn't sure either but on the second pull the truck walked him out of the ditch. All the trooper said was I don't believe it. What type of tires do you have on that truck? :eek: Big wide Toyo’s that’s all. :-laf
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I don't beleive Nokian makes a winter tire rated for the weight of our trucks. I run 275/65 16" Cooper Discoverer M+S "E" load range with studs in the winter and their performance is awesome. I have two winters on my current set and when these wear out (I'm guessing two or three more seasons), I will be buying them again. I run 35" Interco Truxxs M/T's in the summer but a sipped, studded tire is the best for Alaskan roads in the winter.
 
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Ben,



Nokian sure does make a tire for our trucks and it's a good one two. Dad run's them on his 96 3500 plumbing truck and loves them. They are a little more then the coopers but are a great winter tire. They tend to be a softer tire which means the will wear faster if left on for summer driving. Here is a link to their tire sizes found at their website. http://www.nokiantires.com/newsite/selector.cfm
 
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