Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) With Ultra Low Sulpher Fuel comming, How to protect the VP44

[Motorhead]

With ULSF coming, what do you all think besides keeping good fuel pressure is going to be needed to protect the VP44? Is Marvel Mystery oil a good additive? It is meant to be burned in combustion unlike ATF. I sure don't want to believe BIG OIL that we have nothing to worry about. Those turds are the last people that I trust! Chris

 

[n7gxz]

If you have access to bio-diesel start putting a mix in, if I remember correctly 2% to 5% will give more lub then the pre-ULSF.



Kevin

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Here's a mix you can make for $13. 00 and treats at least 200 gallons.



Get a gallon jug and add one bottle of Marvel Mystery oil ($3. 29) and one half gallon bottle of Howe's Lubricator ($8. 99)



That makes me 3 tankfuls of slick diesel!

 

[RSlaughter]

how bout this 2 stroke oil into the mix??



http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4054

 

[03 H.O. Police]

low sulpher

here in San Antonio there is Alamo Filters they have an additive that increases sulpher content and adds lubricants also. i'll get name and edit this post tomorrow ... .

 

[rweis]

... ... ... $13 / 200 gallons = . 065 / gallon



Here's a mix that will treat 2500 gallons for $100 = . 04 / gallon



Stanadyne PF in 5 gallon cans.



Bob Weis

 

[hammersley]

Help on the source.....

... ... ... $13 / 200 gallons = . 065 / gallon



Here's a mix that will treat 2500 gallons for $100 = . 04 / gallon



Stanadyne PF in 5 gallon cans.



Bob Weis

Where can you get this for $100????

 

[C.Solomon]

Where can you get this for $100????

The $100 does not include the fuel, its just the cost of the additive.

 

[Marco]

Here in Europe we have ULSD ( less than 50ppm) since 2003(?). Before it was arround 100ppm. A couple good news. The VP was designed for ULSD from the beginning. My '99 is on it's original VP. With 110K miles on the odo and the ABUSE it's got from me... Don't worry about the ULSD!



Another thing to keep in mind. A LOT of cars here run on a VP pump. Failure rate is much much less here in Europe than it is in the States!



I believe what really matters is the QUALITY of the fuel ( Cetane???) rather than it's sulfur.



Marco

 

[elandon1201]

Here in Europe we have ULSD ( less than 50ppm) since 2003(?). Before it was arround 100ppm. A couple good news. The VP was designed for ULSD from the beginning. My '99 is on it's original VP. With 110K miles on the odo and the ABUSE it's got from me... Don't worry about the ULSD!



Another thing to keep in mind. A LOT of cars here run on a VP pump. Failure rate is much much less here in Europe than it is in the States!



I believe what really matters is the QUALITY of the fuel ( Cetane???) rather than it's sulfur.



Marco

Very interesting... ... ... ... .....

 

[rono]

What does the sulphur do for the VP anyway? Will the lack of sulphur do any thing to or for the VP?



Ron

 

[gitchesum]

The sulfur itself isn't the lubricator. The process involved of removing the sulfur from teh fuel also removes naturally occuring lubricants. So, yes, when the sulfur is produced, it will have less lubrication.



However, all diesel fuels must meet ASTM D975 specificatons for lubricity that have been in place since January 2005. Lubricity agents are added to the fuel to meet those specifications.



The fuel you get from the pump after June 1 06 will have the same lubricity as the fuel you got May 31st. Mattor of fact, you may already be running ULSD and not know it.

 

[NoSeeUm]

how bout this 2 stroke oil into the mix??



http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4054

I have been running 2-stroke oil for a bit now at around a 200:1 ratio. Basically, mixing it in a 16oz bottle 50 / 50 with Power Serve. I use one bottle to treat a tank or about 25 gals.



The results are not in yet, until I pull my injectors and have a look at them.



Jim

 

[WardJ]

I have been running 2-stroke oil for a bit now at around a 200:1 ratio. Basically, mixing it in a 16oz bottle 50 / 50 with Power Serve. I use one bottle to treat a tank or about 25 gals.



The results are not in yet, until I pull my injectors and have a look at them.



Jim

What brand/type are you using? Dino or synthetic? I have been curious about using a synthetic for some time now. Anyone know why this wouldn't work?

 

[SnoKing]

What brand/type are you using? Dino or synthetic? I have been curious about using a synthetic for some time now. Anyone know why this wouldn't work?

Work to do what? Snake OIL! When Cummins comes out and says that we need to add something, then I will. SNOKING

 

[RSlaughter]

snoking did cummins warn you about junk lift pump and vp44's? guess when that happens i will worry about mine

 

[WardJ]

Work to do what? Snake OIL! When Cummins comes out and says that we need to add something, then I will. SNOKING

It was simply a question. I thought this was a forum of information... . you know, questions and answers.



Cummins did not build the VP-44 and neither they nor D/C have been very forthright about problems with this component. I was merely speculating on the lubricity of a synthetic 2-stroke oil. It was used in racing engines for decades and I was merely curious about the thoughts from folks with greater experience than my humble knowledge.

 

[RSlaughter]

ward did you read the cumminsforum link i posted? useful info in there

 

[WardJ]

ward did you read the cumminsforum link i posted? useful info in there

No, I haven't... ... ... thanks, I'm going there now.

 

[NoSeeUm]

Just got back to this thread, researching S15 diesel (ULSD).

What brand/type are you using? Dino or synthetic? I have been curious about using a synthetic for some time now. Anyone know why this wouldn't work?

Hm... Maybe I better look. I run the same stuff that my outboard boat motor uses. Its the Wal-Mart brand "HyperTech". I was not exactly sure how much to add, but I figured a small amount would never hurt. Some folks at the Dodge Cummins Forum run way more than I do.



The deal with two-stroke oil is that is designed, more or less, not to burn. At least in a gas engine, not completely sure about a diesel.



Depending on what you read where, you can get a real variety of opinions. I seem to remember something about "Its not the lubricity, its the higher Cetane that prolongs the life of the VP44". For myself, I have no clue.



For my "Snake Oil" blend, I just figured that the PS contained all the lubricity that was required and adding a bit of two-stroke oil was my way of telling my VP44 that I loved it and for it not to leave me.



Jim