Yeah I'm Gonna Say It ... GO BOWTIE!!!

[ToolManTimTaylor]

YouTube - ZR1 Smokes GT-R: Chevy Corvette ZR1 vs. Nissan GT-R

 

[nickleinonen]

it's a shame nissan went away from the older skyline body. . those were sexy cars. . the new one is meh...

old & new
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[ToolManTimTaylor]

Oh hellz yeah don't get me twisted here, I am a car nut and I so will give credit where it is due. The GTR has always had a cult following, And I agree with body. BUT THE NUMBERS . . oh my god ..... the ones you sign your life away at the dealer. (Some are GETTING $115,000) Reality pricing (MSRP) is $77,000. 00. People get all nuts "No way a ricer can cost that much" Meh ... yeah it can. Nissan did their homework with the GTR, and HAD done their homework in the past (280z Fairlady, Silvia, 300Z anyone?).



AWD, Arse handing H. P 3. 8 0-60 ... . this simply was not done by MANY a PRODUCTION car PRE 1990 (Except for the Porsche 959 built in 1986). Now things change. Just about every Luxo-european car does it (Some . . O. K ONE can do it in under 3. 0 ... MMmmm Veyron) I am thinking Japaneese here and the ONLY other cars with Sub 5 secons 0-60 are the STi and Evo.



Ford GT500KR goes for $79,995 ... Current Gen Vettes (Z06) and Vipers ... . they go for what $72,000 and $87,000 respectively. There ... . that is America's Big Nut buddies that can belt it out but good for UNDER $100,000

 

[ScottRoberts]

I love american muscle and the Vette puts it down clearly between the two, but the wheel horsepower numbers seem off. I haven't been keeping up with this stuff like I used to, and I don't have personal experience with it, but shouldn't an all-wheel drive have more parasitic loss and make less power at the wheels than a rear-wheel drive car? The vette loses a little over 20% through the drivetrain, which I used to understand to be about normal(I used to read ~20% for manuals and ~25% for autos). The GT-R however, only loses a little over 15%. Is the GT-R a freak or have things changed with awd technology? Either way, I agree in this case, go bowtie.

 

[WCPoe]

Don't get me wrong the GTR is definitely a engineering marvel. I think it's been posted that a full throttle launch in the GTR ultilizing the feature they call "launch control" for max acceleration can damage the trans. It's this method that gives the car the outstanding "out of the hole" performance. I also read that Nissan is invalidating the warranty if they read the ECM and find this abuse. Heck, even a full throttle clutch side step on a Z06 allowing the rear wheels to hop violently can destroy a half shaft or worse.



On another note, you can get a 2008 Z06 for $12,000 to $15,000 off the msrp if you shop around. The 2009 Z06's can be had for $10,000 off or more. (I wish I had waited awhile longer before purchasing my 08 Z. ) This is a heck of a deal for a 3162 lb. vehicle that can go 0 to 60 mph in 3. 7 seconds and run the quarter in 11. 7 seconds, go nearly 200 mph and get mid to high 20's mpg on the highway. Seelink:



2008 Corvette Specs - Z06 - Vette Magazine



Well, the ZR1 is another beast all together but since they are in high demand dealers are still getting over MSRP for the most part. This equates to almost double the price of a discounted Z06 which in my book is just not the value the Z06 is.

Most folks can't even begin to use the power, (505hp at the crank) the Z06 has and if it wasn't for the traction control / active handling I believe many novices would have "wrapped them around a telephone pole".



:-laf However, if you need more power just get a stock Z06 and add the new Eaton TVS supercharger that MTI Racing in Marietta, Georgia intalls and you can have over 700 hp at the rear wheels. Go here and click on the supercharger link to watch Reese Cox explain the upgrade:



Welcome to MTI Racing!



Oo.



I was fortunate enough to attend an open house dyno day at MTI Racing and was awestruck. It was a horsepower festival. My stock Z with only about 1700 miles put down 453 rwhp, (it's stock however), on a hot day and was one of the lower horsepower Vettes that was tested. All the modded Vettes pulled over 500rwhp with several in the 600's. The MTI racing supercharged Z06 put down 733hp that day with a torque curve like our diesels. As I said earlier it was a rush for sure.

Now I just have to wait 4 1/2 more years for my GM warranty to run out and hit the lottery to get mine supercharged!!!

 

[nickleinonen]

nissan may have underrated the factory rating for horsepower? they have done that in the past for the older skylines

I love american muscle and the Vette puts it down clearly between the two, but the wheel horsepower numbers seem off. I haven't been keeping up with this stuff like I used to, and I don't have personal experience with it, but shouldn't an all-wheel drive have more parasitic loss and make less power at the wheels than a rear-wheel drive car? The vette loses a little over 20% through the drivetrain, which I used to understand to be about normal(I used to read ~20% for manuals and ~25% for autos). The GT-R however, only loses a little over 15%. Is the GT-R a freak or have things changed with awd technology? Either way, I agree in this case, go bowtie.

 

[ScottRoberts]

I agree Nick, I didn't think about that until the day after I posted. Most definitely underrated.

 

[WCPoe]

I love american muscle and the Vette puts it down clearly between the two, but the wheel horsepower numbers seem off. I haven't been keeping up with this stuff like I used to, and I don't have personal experience with it, but shouldn't an all-wheel drive have more parasitic loss and make less power at the wheels than a rear-wheel drive car? The vette loses a little over 20% through the drivetrain, which I used to understand to be about normal(I used to read ~20% for manuals and ~25% for autos). The GT-R however, only loses a little over 15%. Is the GT-R a freak or have things changed with awd technology? Either way, I agree in this case, go bowtie.

Didn't the SAE rating method become a bit more stringent requiring the manufacturers to rate the bhp with certain accessories. Also, I think it's the better machining tolerances, better oils, seals and don't forget radial tires help as well. I believe the accepted parasitic loss is 15% on most modern vehicles today.